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Bots. I've posted many popular and unpopular takes here. Down always comes first, and as the bot votes evap into the ether, the true human take is almost always

by 1970-01-01 6mo ago

Bots. I've posted many popular and unpopular takes here. Down always comes first, and as the bot votes evap into the ether, the true human take is almost always revealed after an hour or two.

hoppyhoppy2 6mo ago
As stated elsewhere in this discussion: downvotes exist for comments on HN, but not for submissions, as far as anyone is aware, which is what makes it puzzling.
- 1970-01-01 6mo ago
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  - whilenot-dev 6mo ago
    Users aren't in agreement of the needed karma threshold for the downvote button to appear on submissions, though. There seems to be a way through URL-params, as mentioned in another comment[0], but I'd consider that method an auth-related bug, rather than an existing downvote feature for submissions. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48107572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48107572
    - 1970-01-01 6mo ago
      Whatever it is, the bots learned it and they actively exploit it, hence this entire post.
  - nickthegreek 6mo ago
    Then they should show us a screenshot of the interface that allows it.
ThrowawayR2 6mo ago
According to tomhow, there isn't and there isn't going to be one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46298942 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46298942
- 1970-01-01 6mo ago
  Explain how the submission got to less than 1 without a downvote then.
  - whilenot-dev 6mo ago
    Do you realize that tomhow is an admin on this site? Anyway, it doesn't have to be bots... maybe some 3rd-party client app is implementing the downvoting of submissions via (unofficial) API calls.
    - 1970-01-01 6mo ago
      None of that changes the root cause. Bots are downvoting.
  - Ukv 6mo ago
    How this submission got negative votes is the oddity that people are trying to figure out. Regular users can't downvote, and I don't see a reason why it'd be a moderator action for this post, so I'd assume some bug/edge-case in vote handling. No other /newest submissions (current or that I've previously seen) have negative score. I checked a bunch of your submissions (using https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=48104663 https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=48104663) and none appear to have ever been negative. It's possible that this issue was happened to be caused by a bot, but what you're describing as a regular occurrence ("Down always comes first") is probably a misrecollection about comment downvotes rather than submission downvotes - or about reddit which does have submission downvotes.

Bots. I've posted many popular and unpopular takes here. Down always comes first, and as the bot votes evap into the ether, the true human take is almost always revealed after an hour or two.

hoppyhoppy2 6mo ago

As stated elsewhere in this discussion: downvotes exist for comments on HN, but not for submissions, as far as anyone is aware, which is what makes it puzzling.

1970-01-01 6mo ago
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- whilenot-dev 6mo ago
  Users aren't in agreement of the needed karma threshold for the downvote button to appear on submissions, though. There seems to be a way through URL-params, as mentioned in another comment[0], but I'd consider that method an auth-related bug, rather than an existing downvote feature for submissions. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48107572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48107572
  - 1970-01-01 6mo ago
    Whatever it is, the bots learned it and they actively exploit it, hence this entire post.
- nickthegreek 6mo ago
  Then they should show us a screenshot of the interface that allows it.

ThrowawayR2 6mo ago

According to tomhow, there isn't and there isn't going to be one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46298942 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46298942

1970-01-01 6mo ago
Explain how the submission got to less than 1 without a downvote then.
- whilenot-dev 6mo ago
  Do you realize that tomhow is an admin on this site? Anyway, it doesn't have to be bots... maybe some 3rd-party client app is implementing the downvoting of submissions via (unofficial) API calls.
  - 1970-01-01 6mo ago
    None of that changes the root cause. Bots are downvoting.
- Ukv 6mo ago
  How this submission got negative votes is the oddity that people are trying to figure out. Regular users can't downvote, and I don't see a reason why it'd be a moderator action for this post, so I'd assume some bug/edge-case in vote handling. No other /newest submissions (current or that I've previously seen) have negative score. I checked a bunch of your submissions (using https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=48104663 https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=48104663) and none appear to have ever been negative. It's possible that this issue was happened to be caused by a bot, but what you're describing as a regular occurrence ("Down always comes first") is probably a misrecollection about comment downvotes rather than submission downvotes - or about reddit which does have submission downvotes.