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> somehow I don't think that is what Carpenter was going for. Same deal with the Starship Troopers movie. When Helldivers first came out, it was really incredi

> somehow I don't think that is what Carpenter was going for. Same deal with the Starship Troopers movie. When Helldivers first came out, it was really incredible to see how many people truly didn't get the irony.

the_af 5mo ago
> Starship Troopers movie This movie is so misunderstood. It's basically disliked by Heinlein fans who took offense, and by people unfamiliar with both Heinlein and Verhoeven who thought it was actually Beverly Hills + Space Fascism without irony. I like it for what it does, but I'm more of a fan of Robocop.
- PaulHoule 5mo ago
  Unfortunately most Heinlein classics like Door into Summer or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress can't be adapted visually for various reasons.
  - the_af 5mo ago
    I admit to my shame I've never read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (I know, I know) but I have read Door into Summer and I think it could be easily adapted. I mean, they adapted All You Zombies and that was truly a challenge visually (for reasons I won't spoil here). In comparison, Door is a more straightforward time-loop + betrayal story of the kind that can be adapted to the big screen... Edit: unless you're referring to an icky age-related situation, but that could be fixed in the movie adaptation to make it less icky. Edit 2: wow, and it was made into a movie... by the Japanese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Door_into_Summer_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Door_into_Summer_(film)
- Der_Einzige 5mo ago
  Heinlein meant the book literally and not as a farse or satire.
  - the_af 5mo ago
    Yes, that's what I'm meant, I just worded it ambiguously. Let me make it more explicit: The movie was disliked by: - Fans of Heinlein, who took offense at what they thought was a mocking and misunderstanding of the source material. - People unfamiliar with Heinlein, and also with Verhoeven, who failed to understand the movie was satirical and thought it was actually endorsing a weird mix of Beverly Hills 9210 and fascism. In case you wonder, I have read Heinlein (not just Starship Troopers) and know what he meant. I also appreciate Verhoeven!

the_af 5mo ago

> Starship Troopers movie This movie is so misunderstood. It's basically disliked by Heinlein fans who took offense, and by people unfamiliar with both Heinlein and Verhoeven who thought it was actually Beverly Hills + Space Fascism without irony. I like it for what it does, but I'm more of a fan of Robocop.

PaulHoule 5mo ago
Unfortunately most Heinlein classics like Door into Summer or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress can't be adapted visually for various reasons.
- the_af 5mo ago
  I admit to my shame I've never read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (I know, I know) but I have read Door into Summer and I think it could be easily adapted. I mean, they adapted All You Zombies and that was truly a challenge visually (for reasons I won't spoil here). In comparison, Door is a more straightforward time-loop + betrayal story of the kind that can be adapted to the big screen... Edit: unless you're referring to an icky age-related situation, but that could be fixed in the movie adaptation to make it less icky. Edit 2: wow, and it was made into a movie... by the Japanese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Door_into_Summer_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Door_into_Summer_(film)
Der_Einzige 5mo ago
Heinlein meant the book literally and not as a farse or satire.
- the_af 5mo ago
  Yes, that's what I'm meant, I just worded it ambiguously. Let me make it more explicit: The movie was disliked by: - Fans of Heinlein, who took offense at what they thought was a mocking and misunderstanding of the source material. - People unfamiliar with Heinlein, and also with Verhoeven, who failed to understand the movie was satirical and thought it was actually endorsing a weird mix of Beverly Hills 9210 and fascism. In case you wonder, I have read Heinlein (not just Starship Troopers) and know what he meant. I also appreciate Verhoeven!