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If the system itself is set up such that it covers up the crimes of cops, which I would argue it is, then yes - simply by knowing that information and choosing
by array_key_first 5mo ago
If the system itself is set up such that it covers up the crimes of cops, which I would argue it is, then yes - simply by knowing that information and choosing to participate in the system, you have just helped cover up crimes, which is a crime.
Consider: is it possible to be an ethical member of the mafia?
> Somewhere your thought process is broken. You do not appear to have a strong concept of causal relationships.
I don't think you even believe this is true, you're just short circuiting like a poorly built robot. You can't respond to what I'm actually saying so it's just "uhhh uhhh you're not logical! I can't respond to illogical people!"
But think about it, for like longer than 5 seconds. If you know the police do bad things, and you want to join anyway, doesn't that mean that you must want to do bad things? And, if you're in the forced, doesn't that mean that you're helping and abetting said bad things?
If your brain really can't comprehend why that doesn't compute, then okay remove the world police. Replace it with mafia, or pirates, or gang, or Nazis. The concept itself makes sense, no?
I think the problem is that you intrinsicly view the police as good guys, they fight crime. But that's not really true, one because good guys and bad guys don't exist, that's comic book stuff, but also because the police are systemicly, institutionally, evil. Like, from their conception as slave catchers in the south.
You might view the police as good guys who sometimes do bad things. Others view them as essentially a gang. Except a state-sponsored gang, which is much much worse.
In that light, do you understand how ACAB might come to be? Even if you don't agree with it?
- rationalist 5mo ago> do you understand how ACAB might come to be? Even if you don't agree with it? Yes, the same way that some people hate all people of a skin color based on bad experiences with a few people of that skin color, and reports from other people of bad experiences with a few other people of that akin color. Or if you would like an example of a characteristic that people can choose rather than being born with: Religion (antisemitism, Islamophobia, etc)
- rationalist 5mo agoI just missed the edit window in my parent comment. If the premise of "acab" is that good cops are complicit by turning a blind eye to the bad cops, then by that reasoning, good members of other communities are complicit by turning a blind eye to the bad people who share the same characteristics. I refuse to judge people based on the color of their skin, their chosen religion, or their chosen job based on the actions of others.
- righthand 5mo agoThe cops arent a “grass roots community of random individuals who all randomly share characteristics” they’re an organized, funded, and trained to have those characteristics. You seem to have some incorrect idea of how police organize and operate as compared to left-handed people or people going to the park on Saturday.
- rationalist 5mo agoPeople going to the park on Saturday??? Source on every cop getting trained on committing and covering up crimes?
- righthand 5mo agoRead an article or book on systematic police corruption and you tell me.
- rationalist 5mo agoYou're the one making an outlandish claim, you provide the evidence. You're the one who is condemning people you've never met for things they've never done. I don't see how we could ever see eye to eye, when you are letting emotion dictate what you perceive to be the truth. To repeat myself from a reply in a different branch of this thread, that you did not reply to: > My default opinion of people is not that of hate. > Nor do I judge people by prejudices. I'm sorry that you do.