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The irony is that DEI promotes merit by forcing companies to justify hiring beyond basic “cultural fit” vibes. I’ve been in the business and seen a ton of hire

The irony is that DEI promotes merit by forcing companies to justify hiring beyond basic “cultural fit” vibes. I’ve been in the business and seen a ton of hires on vibes. DEI actually asked people to expand the talent search, not hire anyone unqualified (which is what the anti-DEI folks are desperate to have us believe it did). I predict some major EEO lawsuits will eventually bring the pendulum back in the other direction because my sense is that the return to vibes hiring (and RIF-ing) is resulting in very actionable discrimination cases.

semiquaver 5mo ago
> my sense is that the return to vibes hiring (and RIF-ing) is resulting in very actionable discrimination cases. Your sense? Based on what?
- mullingitover 5mo ago
  The enthusiasm for disparaging DEI combined with a lack of articulation of how they plan to quantify 'qualifications' in a non-biased manner. My sense is that they don't plan to do this at all, they don't have a plan, and they are going to blunder into patterns of discriminatory practices that DEI frameworks were protecting them against.
  - semiquaver 5mo ago
    Who is “they?” All employers? With respect, it seems like the hiring managers you were complaining about above weren’t the only ones operating mostly on vibes.
servo_sausage 5mo ago
If DEI operated on merit, there would be no need for the special new concept of DEI. Ive seen many cases where HR stalls hiring until the most qualified candidates move on, prefilter insufficiency "diverse" candidates from the pool presented to teams, or implement internal quotas to meet external funding or contract requirements. Not to mention the actual external requirements for "diversity" from public tender process, government backed funding bodies, and politically protected mega wealthy.
- esafak 5mo ago
  > If DEI operated on merit, there would be no need for the special new concept of DEI. Yes, there would, because un-diverse candidates (not white, young males from a handful of schools) would never get their foot in the door. Companies only interview a small fraction of their candidates.
- mullingitover 5mo ago
  If hiring practices were purely operating on merit and free from discrimination, we wouldn't have studies repeatedly showing that people with the 'wrong' names, and otherwise identical resumes, weren't called back as frequently. > Ive seen many cases where HR stalls hiring until the most qualified candidates move on HR departments have screwed around with delays in the interview process long before anyone ever imagined the concept of expanding the candidate pool, doing blind resume screening, and standardizing the interview process. I don't think having fairer hiring processes created this problem.

semiquaver 5mo ago

> my sense is that the return to vibes hiring (and RIF-ing) is resulting in very actionable discrimination cases. Your sense? Based on what?

mullingitover 5mo ago
The enthusiasm for disparaging DEI combined with a lack of articulation of how they plan to quantify 'qualifications' in a non-biased manner. My sense is that they don't plan to do this at all, they don't have a plan, and they are going to blunder into patterns of discriminatory practices that DEI frameworks were protecting them against.
- semiquaver 5mo ago
  Who is “they?” All employers? With respect, it seems like the hiring managers you were complaining about above weren’t the only ones operating mostly on vibes.

servo_sausage 5mo ago

If DEI operated on merit, there would be no need for the special new concept of DEI. Ive seen many cases where HR stalls hiring until the most qualified candidates move on, prefilter insufficiency "diverse" candidates from the pool presented to teams, or implement internal quotas to meet external funding or contract requirements. Not to mention the actual external requirements for "diversity" from public tender process, government backed funding bodies, and politically protected mega wealthy.

esafak 5mo ago
> If DEI operated on merit, there would be no need for the special new concept of DEI. Yes, there would, because un-diverse candidates (not white, young males from a handful of schools) would never get their foot in the door. Companies only interview a small fraction of their candidates.
mullingitover 5mo ago
If hiring practices were purely operating on merit and free from discrimination, we wouldn't have studies repeatedly showing that people with the 'wrong' names, and otherwise identical resumes, weren't called back as frequently. > Ive seen many cases where HR stalls hiring until the most qualified candidates move on HR departments have screwed around with delays in the interview process long before anyone ever imagined the concept of expanding the candidate pool, doing blind resume screening, and standardizing the interview process. I don't think having fairer hiring processes created this problem.