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Security will be a wedge to restrict the sophistication of open-weight and local LLMs, just as it's been used to demonize and restrict cypherpunk technologies.
by sowbug 5mo ago
Security will be a wedge to restrict the sophistication of open-weight and local LLMs, just as it's been used to demonize and restrict cypherpunk technologies.
- kshacker 5mo agoAs long as it is within the country, restriction works. How do you restrict the capability from a foreign entity, especially a hostile one?
- jazzyjackson 5mo agonetsplit, I guess. decide that the risk of an open network is too great and simply block all routing out of the country through the ISPs and consider the political power that goes along with a global satellite constellation under rule of a single, government-aligned corporation.
- bluGill 5mo agoThat works for very oppressive countries. However, more freedom-minded countries are not going to law for that.
- notsound 5mo ago"simply block all routing out of the country" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. For government networks, sure. For civilian networks? It's a bit like stopping pirates from ripping video; how do you deal with an attacker that ultimately can gain some form of access? Even in North Korea external media can be smuggled in.
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoIf they tried to lock down local models more people would use them. They would also have to take down a few us companies in the process who would go down fighting for certain.
- somewhatgoated 5mo agoDidnt work out so well with the cypherpunk technology so there is hope
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago> Security will be a wedge to restrict the sophistication of open-weight and local LLMs, just as it's been used to demonize and restrict cypherpunk technologies Unlikely in America or China. This is not a game either can singularly control, and locking down the R&D means conceding momentum to the party that doesn't. Which means use restrictions will be contained to countries satisfied with playing second fiddle. Instead, I suspect we'll see momentum towards running software on publisher-controlled servers so the source code can be secured through obscurity. It isn't perfect. But it might be good enough to get us through this transition.
- ls612 5mo agoIf America just banned all chinese models that would wipe out most of the open weights landscape in AI, especially anything close to the frontier. I could easily see that happening if a Mythos tier model comes out of a Chinese lab in early 2027. It doesn't meaningfully change the research competition between OAI/Anthropic/Google/SpaceX but it does pad all of their pockets by removing cheap competition and it gives the government far greater control over AI usage de facto.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago> I could easily see that happening if a Mythos tier model comes out of a Chinese lab in early 2027 I don't. I'm not saying American politics isn't capable of doing it. But I don't see us being stupid enough to try locking ourselves out of a technology that everyone else has access to.
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