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Israel is essentially fighting wars on multiple fronts at all times. Since they are so small and vulnerable, they have to lean more on intelligence. As a result

Israel is essentially fighting wars on multiple fronts at all times. Since they are so small and vulnerable, they have to lean more on intelligence. As a result they have the most advanced intelligence apparatus in the world, far beyond US intelligence for example. Part of their intelligence strategy, clearly, is advanced use of technology & data collection/mining/analytics. So they're gonna end up with a lot of data.

za3faran 6mo ago
They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians they're genociding, and now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria.
- raxxorraxor 6mo ago
  Which is mostly on Lebanon and Syria, because they are the aggressors here. Or in case of Lebanon the largest militant group known to exist. Perhaps they aren't the largest any more since the latest war, but they are still formidable.
  - za3faran 6mo ago
    No they're not the aggressors. Let's stop with the victim blaming.
    - raxxorraxor 6mo ago
      Hezbollah is an Iranian supported schiite fundamentalist militant group effectively controlling the south of Lebanon. Syria declared war on Israel right after its founding and it rejected multiple peace offerings since. They are anything but victims.
      - za3faran 6mo ago
        They are the victims. Hezbollah did not exist before the occupation. And Syria has the right to defend their neighbors against foreign invaders. https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/
        raxxorraxor 6mo ago
        The "army of god" isn't in any way a victim, they are perpetrators of the highest order. The political goals of Hezbollah are only in-transparent to those that are blinded in their hatred of Israel for one reason or another.
        za3faran 6mo ago
        Hezb does not mean army, it means party or group. Secondly, they only came to be after the invasion. It's normal to hate invaders who have committed countless crimes against humanity, not "for one reason or another": https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/
        raxxorraxor 6mo ago
        Not true. It is a militant fundamentalist group. In contrast to Israel that often tries to avoid civilian targets, for Hezbollah terror is the goal. There is no excuse for that, they are what they themselves claim to be and no, they don't fight for anyone's freedom and are an extension of Iranian foreign policy. Israelis aren't invaders for that matter. Most were expelled from surrounding countries, Syria and Lebanon included. They have no claim or reason, just terror. Their security interest in Syria and Lebanon are fully justified.
        za3faran 6mo ago
        They are a resistance group that was formed after the occupation of Palestine. We've seen time and time again the israelis deliberately target and snipe civilians, it's very well documented and has been happening since the beginning of the invasion. Even the NYT recently published an article about how the israelies use dogs to rape Palestinians. The invader terror regime is exposed, no justification for their crimes or interest in so called (greater israel): https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed
- urikaduri 6mo ago
  Why would you need surveilance in a genocide? Seems contradictory.
  - tdeck 6mo ago
    So there was no surveillance during the Holocaust then?
    - rbanffy 6mo ago
      I think the main difference is that the nazis built entire factories and supply chains to more effectively use their limited resources, while Israel, being funded largely by the US, has no such constraints and can use military equipment to, to use an American figure of language, shoot fish in a barrel. What the Israeli government is doing is, at best, unconscionable.
      - urikaduri 5mo ago
        Wow, this used to be the website with the smart comment section. Now its all David Duke fans.
        rbanffy 5mo ago
        It impresses me because, in our trade, there is a stiff penalty for ignoring reality.
- jameshilliard 6mo ago
  > They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians This is mostly so that they can more accurately target Palestinian terrorist/militant groups that hide behind civilians(which is of course a war crime). > now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria The Oct 7th attacks likely happened because they weren't keeping a close enough watch over Palestinians in Gaza and were overly focused on threats from Lebanon and Syria. Ultimately Israel's failure to monitor threats coming from Gaza greatly increased Palestinian civilian casualties due to a successful attack resulting in a much stronger Israeli response than a failed attack would have. Israel always considered Hezbollah to be a much bigger threat than Hamas so that's where they put most of their resources.
  - rbanffy 6mo ago
    > This is mostly so that they can more accurately target Palestinian terrorist/militant groups that hide behind civilians(which is of course a war crime). The mass casualties of children are a strong indicator that the targeting is not accurate. Government officials and elected representatives have repeatedly advocated for the assassination of all Palestinians.
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pcthrowaway 6mo ago
> As a result they have the most advanced intelligence apparatus in the world, far beyond US intelligence for example I think if you're going to concoct some kind of per-capita metric of intelligence capabilities, you're likely correct. But their intelligence industry pales in size relative to that of the U.S. and couldn't exist as it does without support from the U.S. and American companies (as we've seen with Lavender and Nimbus). American companies providing services they would otherwise have to develop in-house certainly contributes to their capacity for conducting what most would consider black-hat activities, including gathering intelligence on Americans and goings-on in the U.S., sometimes even of American politicians, in order to manipulate the American political environment to their favour. I'm not aware of U.S. big tech providing such extensive services to any other country whose behaviour is so similar to that of the officially designated American foreign adversaries

za3faran 6mo ago

They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians they're genociding, and now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria.

raxxorraxor 6mo ago
Which is mostly on Lebanon and Syria, because they are the aggressors here. Or in case of Lebanon the largest militant group known to exist. Perhaps they aren't the largest any more since the latest war, but they are still formidable.
- za3faran 6mo ago
  No they're not the aggressors. Let's stop with the victim blaming.
  - raxxorraxor 6mo ago
    Hezbollah is an Iranian supported schiite fundamentalist militant group effectively controlling the south of Lebanon. Syria declared war on Israel right after its founding and it rejected multiple peace offerings since. They are anything but victims.
    - za3faran 6mo ago
      They are the victims. Hezbollah did not exist before the occupation. And Syria has the right to defend their neighbors against foreign invaders. https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/
      - raxxorraxor 6mo ago
        The "army of god" isn't in any way a victim, they are perpetrators of the highest order. The political goals of Hezbollah are only in-transparent to those that are blinded in their hatred of Israel for one reason or another.
        za3faran 6mo ago
        Hezb does not mean army, it means party or group. Secondly, they only came to be after the invasion. It's normal to hate invaders who have committed countless crimes against humanity, not "for one reason or another": https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/
        raxxorraxor 6mo ago
        Not true. It is a militant fundamentalist group. In contrast to Israel that often tries to avoid civilian targets, for Hezbollah terror is the goal. There is no excuse for that, they are what they themselves claim to be and no, they don't fight for anyone's freedom and are an extension of Iranian foreign policy. Israelis aren't invaders for that matter. Most were expelled from surrounding countries, Syria and Lebanon included. They have no claim or reason, just terror. Their security interest in Syria and Lebanon are fully justified.
        za3faran 6mo ago
        They are a resistance group that was formed after the occupation of Palestine. We've seen time and time again the israelis deliberately target and snipe civilians, it's very well documented and has been happening since the beginning of the invasion. Even the NYT recently published an article about how the israelies use dogs to rape Palestinians. The invader terror regime is exposed, no justification for their crimes or interest in so called (greater israel): https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed
urikaduri 6mo ago
Why would you need surveilance in a genocide? Seems contradictory.
- tdeck 6mo ago
  So there was no surveillance during the Holocaust then?
  - rbanffy 6mo ago
    I think the main difference is that the nazis built entire factories and supply chains to more effectively use their limited resources, while Israel, being funded largely by the US, has no such constraints and can use military equipment to, to use an American figure of language, shoot fish in a barrel. What the Israeli government is doing is, at best, unconscionable.
    - urikaduri 5mo ago
      Wow, this used to be the website with the smart comment section. Now its all David Duke fans.
      - rbanffy 5mo ago
        It impresses me because, in our trade, there is a stiff penalty for ignoring reality.
jameshilliard 6mo ago
> They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians This is mostly so that they can more accurately target Palestinian terrorist/militant groups that hide behind civilians(which is of course a war crime). > now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria The Oct 7th attacks likely happened because they weren't keeping a close enough watch over Palestinians in Gaza and were overly focused on threats from Lebanon and Syria. Ultimately Israel's failure to monitor threats coming from Gaza greatly increased Palestinian civilian casualties due to a successful attack resulting in a much stronger Israeli response than a failed attack would have. Israel always considered Hezbollah to be a much bigger threat than Hamas so that's where they put most of their resources.
- rbanffy 6mo ago
  > This is mostly so that they can more accurately target Palestinian terrorist/militant groups that hide behind civilians(which is of course a war crime). The mass casualties of children are a strong indicator that the targeting is not accurate. Government officials and elected representatives have repeatedly advocated for the assassination of all Palestinians.
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pcthrowaway 6mo ago

> As a result they have the most advanced intelligence apparatus in the world, far beyond US intelligence for example I think if you're going to concoct some kind of per-capita metric of intelligence capabilities, you're likely correct. But their intelligence industry pales in size relative to that of the U.S. and couldn't exist as it does without support from the U.S. and American companies (as we've seen with Lavender and Nimbus). American companies providing services they would otherwise have to develop in-house certainly contributes to their capacity for conducting what most would consider black-hat activities, including gathering intelligence on Americans and goings-on in the U.S., sometimes even of American politicians, in order to manipulate the American political environment to their favour. I'm not aware of U.S. big tech providing such extensive services to any other country whose behaviour is so similar to that of the officially designated American foreign adversaries