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I don't really ever want my browser to have Facebook integration. They have toolbars for that.

by debacle 14y ago

shardling 14y ago
Moving social stuff into the browser should actually help make it more open. If a page/framework uses this Social API instead of hardcoding against a few popular networks, it opens the door for you to choose how the integration works.
- debacle 14y ago
  I don't care about how open it is, my browser is for browsing. If I wanted a social browser I'd use AOL.
  - shardling 14y ago
    So you'll turn it off. Hundreds of millions of folk use their browser for social stuff. It's not an unreasonable use of developer time to make the web better for those people. (It probably springs from their work on FirefoxOS in any case.) The small set of folk like you can just disable it. (Or, as is pointed out elsewhere, just never enable it in the first place!)
    - debacle 14y ago
      Yes, I'll probably turn it off. And then when they add some strange mapping API, I'll turn that off too, and then finally when they add a storage API I'll switch to a browser that isn't trying to be everything to everyone.
      - deleted 14y ago
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      - mbrubeck 14y ago
        Did you know that every major browser already supports storage and geolocation APIs? http://caniuse.com/#search=localstorage http://caniuse.com/#search=localstorage http://caniuse.com/#search=geo http://caniuse.com/#search=geo
      - st3fan 14y ago
        You don't have to turn off anything. It is a something that you explicitly have to opt-in for.
        huhtenberg 14y ago
        Until it gets accidentally turned on by a browser update, or by some rogue plugin (wouldn't put it past Adobe actually), or by an optional Windows Update, or by some grayware that I mindlessly install on a computer. If it's off by default, it should be in a plugin. If you want it, come and get it.
asadotzler 14y ago
If you don't explicitly enable it, you'll never know it's there. We were very careful about that.
- muuh-gnu 14y ago
  > We were very careful about that. You still have to have in mind that even knowing that the FB parasite is somehow "in my browser and I cant remove it", even if it is not activated, makes me want to immediately toss it away in disgust and go Chrome exclusively. 16 is the latest FF I will be using and recommending and I am very likely not alone. Mozilla forcing FB on us is high treason, and many of us will start recommending Chrome instaed of FF to people we can influence just to harm Mozilla because of this betrayal. The FF user base rose quickly by word of mouth and by word of mouth it can even more quickly disappear in Chrome's mighty shadow. FF needs us more than we need FF. Keep that in mind when you make decisions like pushing FB on us. You cannot afford playing a dictator.
  - pilgrim689 14y ago
    There is no "FB parasite" in your browser. FF is not "pushing FB on us". Social API is an API for any social service...fb just so happens to have a client for it (which is not packaged with ff). see: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2012/07/06/bringing-social-to-firefox/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2012/07/06/bringing-...
  - clobber 14y ago
    > FB parasite > go Chrome exclusively Wat? Google wants to slurp your data just as much as Facebook
  - sergiotapia 14y ago
    I think you (and many other people here) are confused about what Social API really is. It's like BrowserID - a protocol that enables authentication. Facebook can implement BrowserID, StackExchange can implement BrowserID, Google can implement BrowserID; you get the idea. The same goes for Social API. It's just a protocol for social networks. Anybody who wants to create a social site, can support the Social API and users can enable it to work on any site that offers such functionality. Social API IS NOT "Facebook in my browser".
jasonlotito 14y ago
It doesn't have Facebook integration. It has support for a Social API, which is a structured way to essentially build social toolbars if you will. Facebook just happens to have implemented it. Facebook integration comes when you visit Facebook's Messenger for Firefox page and turn it on and "install" the messenger.
clumsysmurf 14y ago
I guess I'm not the only one who feels that way. What I value most in my browser: security, usability, speed, and standards compliance. Since FF is not perfect (but always improving) in all of these areas, I'd rather see progress there than feature creep. Everything else can be a plugin. I guess that means the plugin mechanism better be pretty good. If I recall, these were some of the reasons people flocked to Chrome (Speed & Usability).

I don't really ever want my browser to have Facebook integration. They have toolbars for that.

by debacle 14y ago

I don't really ever want my browser to have Facebook integration. They have toolbars for that.

Moving social stuff into the browser should actually help make it more open. If a page/framework uses this Social API instead of hardcoding against a few popular networks, it opens the door for you to choose how the integration works.

debacle 14y ago
I don't care about how open it is, my browser is for browsing. If I wanted a social browser I'd use AOL.
- shardling 14y ago
  So you'll turn it off. Hundreds of millions of folk use their browser for social stuff. It's not an unreasonable use of developer time to make the web better for those people. (It probably springs from their work on FirefoxOS in any case.) The small set of folk like you can just disable it. (Or, as is pointed out elsewhere, just never enable it in the first place!)
  - debacle 14y ago
    Yes, I'll probably turn it off. And then when they add some strange mapping API, I'll turn that off too, and then finally when they add a storage API I'll switch to a browser that isn't trying to be everything to everyone.
    - deleted 14y ago
      [deleted]
    - mbrubeck 14y ago
      Did you know that every major browser already supports storage and geolocation APIs? http://caniuse.com/#search=localstorage http://caniuse.com/#search=localstorage http://caniuse.com/#search=geo http://caniuse.com/#search=geo
    - st3fan 14y ago
      You don't have to turn off anything. It is a something that you explicitly have to opt-in for.
      - huhtenberg 14y ago
        Until it gets accidentally turned on by a browser update, or by some rogue plugin (wouldn't put it past Adobe actually), or by an optional Windows Update, or by some grayware that I mindlessly install on a computer. If it's off by default, it should be in a plugin. If you want it, come and get it.

asadotzler 14y ago

If you don't explicitly enable it, you'll never know it's there. We were very careful about that.

muuh-gnu 14y ago
> We were very careful about that. You still have to have in mind that even knowing that the FB parasite is somehow "in my browser and I cant remove it", even if it is not activated, makes me want to immediately toss it away in disgust and go Chrome exclusively. 16 is the latest FF I will be using and recommending and I am very likely not alone. Mozilla forcing FB on us is high treason, and many of us will start recommending Chrome instaed of FF to people we can influence just to harm Mozilla because of this betrayal. The FF user base rose quickly by word of mouth and by word of mouth it can even more quickly disappear in Chrome's mighty shadow. FF needs us more than we need FF. Keep that in mind when you make decisions like pushing FB on us. You cannot afford playing a dictator.
- pilgrim689 14y ago
  There is no "FB parasite" in your browser. FF is not "pushing FB on us". Social API is an API for any social service...fb just so happens to have a client for it (which is not packaged with ff). see: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2012/07/06/bringing-social-to-firefox/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2012/07/06/bringing-...
- clobber 14y ago
  > FB parasite > go Chrome exclusively Wat? Google wants to slurp your data just as much as Facebook
- sergiotapia 14y ago
  I think you (and many other people here) are confused about what Social API really is. It's like BrowserID - a protocol that enables authentication. Facebook can implement BrowserID, StackExchange can implement BrowserID, Google can implement BrowserID; you get the idea. The same goes for Social API. It's just a protocol for social networks. Anybody who wants to create a social site, can support the Social API and users can enable it to work on any site that offers such functionality. Social API IS NOT "Facebook in my browser".

jasonlotito 14y ago

It doesn't have Facebook integration. It has support for a Social API, which is a structured way to essentially build social toolbars if you will. Facebook just happens to have implemented it. Facebook integration comes when you visit Facebook's Messenger for Firefox page and turn it on and "install" the messenger.

clumsysmurf 14y ago

I guess I'm not the only one who feels that way. What I value most in my browser: security, usability, speed, and standards compliance. Since FF is not perfect (but always improving) in all of these areas, I'd rather see progress there than feature creep. Everything else can be a plugin. I guess that means the plugin mechanism better be pretty good. If I recall, these were some of the reasons people flocked to Chrome (Speed & Usability).