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> The AI is coming for that too. That may be true I’m not gonna say one way or the other, but if AI comes for that then almost all knowledge work is effectivel

> The AI is coming for that too. That may be true I’m not gonna say one way or the other, but if AI comes for that then almost all knowledge work is effectively dead, so all that’s left would be sales or physical labor.

ge96 5mo ago
I wonder though, can AI make the next JS framework. I mean that in sincerity, there was the leap from jQuery to React for ex. If an AI only knows jQuery and no one makes React, will React come out of AI.
- smrq 5mo ago
  People didn't leap from jQuery to React. It's a lot easier to imagine an AI looking at jQuery and [insert any server side MVC framework] and inventing Backbone.
- ASalazarMX 5mo ago
  News: "AGI refuses to make another JS framework, rages on the follies of misguided developers and their wateful JS crutches" Developer community: Wow, we truly have become obsolete now!
  - ge96 5mo ago
    Who will be the disrupters when there is nothing to disrupt
  - notpachet 5mo ago
    In a shocking twist, it turns out that Mootools is the agents' preferred framework
- scj 5mo ago
  A thought experiment: When all practical software is only written by AIs, will the AIs use goto? What will the programming language of AIs look like? My bet is something _like_ assembly, but not assembly. That being said, I think humans will still program for fun. Just like we paint portraiture in a world with cameras.
  - ge96 5mo ago
    Yeah that's my thing for my hardware projects, I'm not going to reach for an LLM to do it, I want to write the code myself/be present. For something new I would consider using LLM to generate something, like a computer vision implementation or something I don't already know. The end result I would know how it works, just for POC.
  - r_lee 5mo ago
    I think it won't be like assembly, because it takes more information vs building blocks that have more dense information in them, kind of like how we use libraries and frameworks
  - timacles 5mo ago
    There will be a new language created optimized for AI development
- wiseowise 5mo ago
  It can't. Framework hierarchy is largely based on social structure, rather than pure technical merit. Otherwise React would've been displaced long time ago.
BurningFrog 5mo ago
The history of the last 250 years is inventing new professions as old ones are automated away. I expect that to continue.
- coldtea 5mo ago
  The history of the last 250 was moving from agriculture to industrial work to service work. Now the last frontier is starting to be overtaken by automation too. (And in all of those transitions millions where left behind without work or with very worse prospects. The people that took the new jobs were often a different group, not people who knew the old jobs and were already in their 30s and 40s). And what would be the new professions that uniquely require humans, when even thinking and creative jobs are eaten by AI? Would there be a boom of demand for dancers and chefs, especially as millions lose their service jobs?
- georgemcbay 5mo ago
  > The history of the last 250 years is inventing new professions as old ones are automated away. Even if this still holds true ("past performance is no guarantee of future results") the part about it that people handwave away without thinking about or addressing is how awful the transitional period can be. The industrial revolution worked out well for the human labor force in the long term, but there were multiple generations of people who suffered through a horrendous transition (one that was only alleviated by the rise of a strong labor movement that may not be replicable in the age of AI, given how it is likely to shift the leverage of labor vs. capital). If you want to lean on history as an indication that massive sudden productivity changes will make things better for humanity in the long run, then fine, but then you have to acknowledge that (based on that same history) the transition could still be absolutely chaotic and awful for the lifespan of anyone who is currently alive.
- nitwit005 5mo ago
  Given some sort of machine with human capabilities, there would be no reason to assign that profession to a human, excepting perhaps cost.
- charlie90 5mo ago
  Like doordashing and pokemon card reselling.

ge96 5mo ago

I wonder though, can AI make the next JS framework. I mean that in sincerity, there was the leap from jQuery to React for ex. If an AI only knows jQuery and no one makes React, will React come out of AI.

smrq 5mo ago
People didn't leap from jQuery to React. It's a lot easier to imagine an AI looking at jQuery and [insert any server side MVC framework] and inventing Backbone.
ASalazarMX 5mo ago
News: "AGI refuses to make another JS framework, rages on the follies of misguided developers and their wateful JS crutches" Developer community: Wow, we truly have become obsolete now!
- ge96 5mo ago
  Who will be the disrupters when there is nothing to disrupt
- notpachet 5mo ago
  In a shocking twist, it turns out that Mootools is the agents' preferred framework
scj 5mo ago
A thought experiment: When all practical software is only written by AIs, will the AIs use goto? What will the programming language of AIs look like? My bet is something _like_ assembly, but not assembly. That being said, I think humans will still program for fun. Just like we paint portraiture in a world with cameras.
- ge96 5mo ago
  Yeah that's my thing for my hardware projects, I'm not going to reach for an LLM to do it, I want to write the code myself/be present. For something new I would consider using LLM to generate something, like a computer vision implementation or something I don't already know. The end result I would know how it works, just for POC.
- r_lee 5mo ago
  I think it won't be like assembly, because it takes more information vs building blocks that have more dense information in them, kind of like how we use libraries and frameworks
- timacles 5mo ago
  There will be a new language created optimized for AI development
wiseowise 5mo ago
It can't. Framework hierarchy is largely based on social structure, rather than pure technical merit. Otherwise React would've been displaced long time ago.

BurningFrog 5mo ago

The history of the last 250 years is inventing new professions as old ones are automated away. I expect that to continue.

coldtea 5mo ago
The history of the last 250 was moving from agriculture to industrial work to service work. Now the last frontier is starting to be overtaken by automation too. (And in all of those transitions millions where left behind without work or with very worse prospects. The people that took the new jobs were often a different group, not people who knew the old jobs and were already in their 30s and 40s). And what would be the new professions that uniquely require humans, when even thinking and creative jobs are eaten by AI? Would there be a boom of demand for dancers and chefs, especially as millions lose their service jobs?
georgemcbay 5mo ago
> The history of the last 250 years is inventing new professions as old ones are automated away. Even if this still holds true ("past performance is no guarantee of future results") the part about it that people handwave away without thinking about or addressing is how awful the transitional period can be. The industrial revolution worked out well for the human labor force in the long term, but there were multiple generations of people who suffered through a horrendous transition (one that was only alleviated by the rise of a strong labor movement that may not be replicable in the age of AI, given how it is likely to shift the leverage of labor vs. capital). If you want to lean on history as an indication that massive sudden productivity changes will make things better for humanity in the long run, then fine, but then you have to acknowledge that (based on that same history) the transition could still be absolutely chaotic and awful for the lifespan of anyone who is currently alive.
nitwit005 5mo ago
Given some sort of machine with human capabilities, there would be no reason to assign that profession to a human, excepting perhaps cost.
charlie90 5mo ago
Like doordashing and pokemon card reselling.