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there's a pretty well known saying about all cops and it's never been proven wrong.

by riffic 5mo ago

parineum 5mo ago
That's a funny thing because, as with all absolutes, it's trivially easy to prove it wrong. All you need is _one_ cop to not be a bastard to prove it wrong. I've known several non-bastard cops.
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- fredophile 5mo ago
  There's another relevant saying about apples you should check out.
- kennywinker 5mo ago
  If you work alongside bastards, like civil-rights-violating bastards not chew-with-your-mouth-open bastards, and aren’t actively working to get them removed from the force - i’ve got bad news about your bastard status. Which is the point of the saying. It’s not that all cops are individually bastardly, it’s that all cops are part of a system that both protects bastards regularly, and does systemically bastardly things (like say heavily policing crimes of poverty while ignoring crimes of wealth).
  - pc86 5mo ago
    I'd have to go through a decent chunk of the dictionary before I started referring to people who chew with their mouth open as "bastards." > systemically bastardly things (like say heavily policing crimes of poverty while ignoring crimes of wealth) I'm the last person I would expect to be defending police, but I think if you look at the rate of physical and property violence perpetrated by "crimes of poverty" vs. "crimes of wealth" that might have a lot more to do with it than the cop trying to decide if the victim has money or not before they do anything.
    - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
      "property violence"? Isn't it well known that wage theft is much larger than shoplifting, for example.
    - kennywinker 5mo ago
      > than the cop trying to decide if the victim has money or not before they do anything. Who said that? The cops don’t need to ”decide” to bust you based on how much money you have, the system already put them on patrol in the poorer neighborhood. The police are too busy going after crimes of poverty to go after the crimes that impoverish people. “Crimes of wealth” do plenty of violence, it’s just laundered thru abstractions and layers of misdirection.
      - pc86 5mo ago
        Poor neighbors are where the crime happens - at least the crime that some beat cop is qualified to see or investigate. > “Crimes of wealth” do plenty of violence Not for actual definitions of violence, no. I'm not saying they're not crimes, or they're not serious, but there's a reason "violent crime" is a category of its own. It's an important distinction. Words mean things, and trying to say murder or aggravated battery is just one kind of violence and embezzlement or stock fraud is a different kind is, at best, incredibly dishonest.
    - array_key_first 5mo ago
      It's deeper than this. If you try to justify why Marijuana is schedule 1, you can't. The only reasonable explanation is "the DEA hates black Americans and poor people and wants to punish them most". That's the reasonable explanation, not the conspiracy.
      - pc86 5mo ago
        "The DEA" doesn't have opinions because it's not a person. Marijuana was made schedule 1 close to 60 years ago, and it's very possible the people who made that decision had racist motivations. It's also possible they didn't and they just wanted to punish anyone who was using marijuana more than other drugs. "People working at the DEA 60 years after this decision was made are very obviously racist and hate blacks and poor people" is much more of a stretch than "nobody really cares enough about this to change it and it wouldn't change very much anyway," isn't it? Unless, of course, you're not interested in actually understanding why things are the way they are and are more interested in perpetuating some victimhood fantasy.
- Refreeze5224 5mo ago
  Then you, like many others, misunderstand what the saying All Cops Are Bastards means. It's not an observation about the morality of each individual cop. It's shorthand for the fundamental corruption and injustice inherent to the institution of policing itself. If Mother Theresa or Mister Rogers becomes a cop, ACAB isn't suddenly disproved, because it's not about specific individuals and their specific moral qualities. It's about systemic and fundamental problems with policing as a whole. See how ACAB is a lot easier to say?
  - ninalanyon 5mo ago
    Is your name Humpty Dumpty by any chance?
  - ranger_danger 5mo ago
    Perhaps they should not have chosen a name with an easily misunderstood claim such as "all".
    - Refreeze5224 5mo ago
      They picked exactly the appropriate word.
- ranger_danger 5mo ago
  > trivially easy to prove it wrong Only if the other person is arguing in good faith and believes you.

there's a pretty well known saying about all cops and it's never been proven wrong.

by riffic 5mo ago

there's a pretty well known saying about all cops and it's never been proven wrong.

That's a funny thing because, as with all absolutes, it's trivially easy to prove it wrong. All you need is _one_ cop to not be a bastard to prove it wrong. I've known several non-bastard cops.

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fredophile 5mo ago
There's another relevant saying about apples you should check out.
kennywinker 5mo ago
If you work alongside bastards, like civil-rights-violating bastards not chew-with-your-mouth-open bastards, and aren’t actively working to get them removed from the force - i’ve got bad news about your bastard status. Which is the point of the saying. It’s not that all cops are individually bastardly, it’s that all cops are part of a system that both protects bastards regularly, and does systemically bastardly things (like say heavily policing crimes of poverty while ignoring crimes of wealth).
- pc86 5mo ago
  I'd have to go through a decent chunk of the dictionary before I started referring to people who chew with their mouth open as "bastards." > systemically bastardly things (like say heavily policing crimes of poverty while ignoring crimes of wealth) I'm the last person I would expect to be defending police, but I think if you look at the rate of physical and property violence perpetrated by "crimes of poverty" vs. "crimes of wealth" that might have a lot more to do with it than the cop trying to decide if the victim has money or not before they do anything.
  - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
    "property violence"? Isn't it well known that wage theft is much larger than shoplifting, for example.
  - kennywinker 5mo ago
    > than the cop trying to decide if the victim has money or not before they do anything. Who said that? The cops don’t need to ”decide” to bust you based on how much money you have, the system already put them on patrol in the poorer neighborhood. The police are too busy going after crimes of poverty to go after the crimes that impoverish people. “Crimes of wealth” do plenty of violence, it’s just laundered thru abstractions and layers of misdirection.
    - pc86 5mo ago
      Poor neighbors are where the crime happens - at least the crime that some beat cop is qualified to see or investigate. > “Crimes of wealth” do plenty of violence Not for actual definitions of violence, no. I'm not saying they're not crimes, or they're not serious, but there's a reason "violent crime" is a category of its own. It's an important distinction. Words mean things, and trying to say murder or aggravated battery is just one kind of violence and embezzlement or stock fraud is a different kind is, at best, incredibly dishonest.
  - array_key_first 5mo ago
    It's deeper than this. If you try to justify why Marijuana is schedule 1, you can't. The only reasonable explanation is "the DEA hates black Americans and poor people and wants to punish them most". That's the reasonable explanation, not the conspiracy.
    - pc86 5mo ago
      "The DEA" doesn't have opinions because it's not a person. Marijuana was made schedule 1 close to 60 years ago, and it's very possible the people who made that decision had racist motivations. It's also possible they didn't and they just wanted to punish anyone who was using marijuana more than other drugs. "People working at the DEA 60 years after this decision was made are very obviously racist and hate blacks and poor people" is much more of a stretch than "nobody really cares enough about this to change it and it wouldn't change very much anyway," isn't it? Unless, of course, you're not interested in actually understanding why things are the way they are and are more interested in perpetuating some victimhood fantasy.
Refreeze5224 5mo ago
Then you, like many others, misunderstand what the saying All Cops Are Bastards means. It's not an observation about the morality of each individual cop. It's shorthand for the fundamental corruption and injustice inherent to the institution of policing itself. If Mother Theresa or Mister Rogers becomes a cop, ACAB isn't suddenly disproved, because it's not about specific individuals and their specific moral qualities. It's about systemic and fundamental problems with policing as a whole. See how ACAB is a lot easier to say?
- ninalanyon 5mo ago
  Is your name Humpty Dumpty by any chance?
- ranger_danger 5mo ago
  Perhaps they should not have chosen a name with an easily misunderstood claim such as "all".
  - Refreeze5224 5mo ago
    They picked exactly the appropriate word.
ranger_danger 5mo ago
> trivially easy to prove it wrong Only if the other person is arguing in good faith and believes you.