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People forget the original saying was "one bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

by RobotToaster 5mo ago

y1n0 5mo ago
That’s true, but people on HN have a habit of saying ‘most’ when they really just mean ‘many.’
- yaur 5mo ago
  But it’s not one bad apple. It’s one cop who stole someone’s laptop while arresting them and entire system that looked the other way and let the theft go unpunished.
- fearmerchant 5mo ago
  And really it's just a few.
  - kennywinker 5mo ago
    Coping by only hearing the first half of the expression. “Spoils the bunch” is just as important as the number of bad apples.
  - wredcoll 5mo ago
    It's a "few" who actually commit the crime. It's the vast majority who refuse to prosecute them for committing the crime.
Amorymeltzer 5mo ago
While in graduate school, the graduate student government had results from a student survey about their advisors. When presented with the results, nearly every administrator would give some response of "Well, it's really just a few bad apples," and we had to remind them every time of the actual meaning of the phrase!
dredmorbius 5mo ago
I've done some digging on the history of the phrase, and find that 1) it's been in use for at least 80 or so years (several non-produce hits in the 1940s), and 2) clearly missing the "spoils the whole barrel" element seems to begin in the 1950s, with conspicuous application to police misconduct. I'm strongly inclined to include the abbreviated phrase in a list of thought-stopping cliches if only for that reason (though not the correct and complete version you provide). Google's Ngram viewer shows usage beginning in the 1930s: <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=fe https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=fe>. Application to police from The Nation in 1956: <https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Nation/Ay8QAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22a+few+bad+apples%22+police&dq=%22a+few+bad+apples%22+police&printsec=frontcover https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Nation/Ay8QAAAAIAAJ...>

People forget the original saying was "one bad apple spoils the whole barrel."

y1n0 5mo ago

That’s true, but people on HN have a habit of saying ‘most’ when they really just mean ‘many.’

yaur 5mo ago
But it’s not one bad apple. It’s one cop who stole someone’s laptop while arresting them and entire system that looked the other way and let the theft go unpunished.
fearmerchant 5mo ago
And really it's just a few.
- kennywinker 5mo ago
  Coping by only hearing the first half of the expression. “Spoils the bunch” is just as important as the number of bad apples.
- wredcoll 5mo ago
  It's a "few" who actually commit the crime. It's the vast majority who refuse to prosecute them for committing the crime.

Amorymeltzer 5mo ago

While in graduate school, the graduate student government had results from a student survey about their advisors. When presented with the results, nearly every administrator would give some response of "Well, it's really just a few bad apples," and we had to remind them every time of the actual meaning of the phrase!

dredmorbius 5mo ago

I've done some digging on the history of the phrase, and find that 1) it's been in use for at least 80 or so years (several non-produce hits in the 1940s), and 2) clearly missing the "spoils the whole barrel" element seems to begin in the 1950s, with conspicuous application to police misconduct. I'm strongly inclined to include the abbreviated phrase in a list of thought-stopping cliches if only for that reason (though not the correct and complete version you provide). Google's Ngram viewer shows usage beginning in the 1930s: <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=fe https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=fe>. Application to police from The Nation in 1956: <https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Nation/Ay8QAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22a+few+bad+apples%22+police&dq=%22a+few+bad+apples%22+police&printsec=frontcover https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Nation/Ay8QAAAAIAAJ...>