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I've been saying this for awhile as well. Corruption is horse-shoe, once it is pervasive enough, it becomes affordable to the common man and not just the rich.

I've been saying this for awhile as well. Corruption is horse-shoe, once it is pervasive enough, it becomes affordable to the common man and not just the rich. Counter-intuitively, even more egalitarian, perhaps. Ive had police in Mexico just walk up and steal $100+ from my wallet. It was refreshing as in the US they instead police have just dragged me to jail on fabricated allegations. When Mexican police can get all they want by just stealing my money and not my time, it feels like living in a more free country, liberating comparatively.

ta988 5mo ago
search for eminent domain in the us, it can be much worse than just $100
- mothballed 5mo ago
  I was billed about $1000 when US police took me to ER in cuffs and claimed (made up) I was secretly smuggling drugs up my ass. ------- re: below (throttled) ---------- They got a warrant afterwards which they somehow applied retroactively. I found out police had systematically been doing this to people and in fact already sued for this. The hospital had also already been put on notice after ACLU sued in a different state. I contacted several lawyers and the ACLU (since they already had posted notice for this same thing). ACLU was radio silence for the entire couple years of the statue of limitations, so no help there. The best shot I had was contacting a couple lawyers who specifically sued against the same people who had done it before. They lost the last time due to the courts considering the hospital as effectively deputized as federal officers while it happened. The courts/state got around the lawsuit by claiming it is medical care whenever the warrant issue come up, then claim it is a LEO search whenever the medical aspects of the search were challenged, creating a catch 22. All lawyers involved told me they'd given up such cases (impossible to win). The prior, almost identical but even worse case (woman finger-raped by doctors without a warrant) was lost due to the catch-22 of it being a "search" whenever the medical aspects were challenged and being "medical care" whenever the search aspects were challenged. This meant it was effectively impossible to challenge it from any available angle. As for the bill, I never paid it. Still chased by debt collectors for it though. Basically if federal officers involved you are fucked. Lon Horiuchi straight up sniped an innocent woman holding a baby in her arms, over a husband's failure to appear in court, and even he couldn't be held accountable.
  - gwbas1c 5mo ago
    Did they have a warrant? They (the cops) can't force a hospital to do anything without a warrant. Sue the hospital & police; if you can't afford a lawyer, take whoever billed you to small claims to get your money back.
    - mindslight 5mo ago
      It seems like you're trying to assuage your own cognitive dissonance from a belief that this system must still somehow be consistent and just.
      - gwbas1c 5mo ago
        No, my wife works at a hospital. The story is that a cop dragged a suspect into the hospital and demanded that a nurse give the patient a blood test, which is extremely illegal. The cop arrested her, but she was 100% in the right and the judge released her the next day.
        mothballed 5mo ago
        I filed a nursing board complaint against the nurse, they argued that the (privately employed) nurse functions as a police for the purpose of a search therefore if they act without a warrant it's not a nursing matter but rather a police matter. I could argue it was an illegal search, but not to the nursing board, they weren't willing to consider whether the search was illegal or not, only that since the government directed the search that she wasn't acting within the capacity of her nursing license but rather in an LEO capacity. My complaint against her license was summarily closed since in their eyes whether a warrant existed was immaterial. I also complained to the board the nurse cursed at me and called me a criminal (because I refused the 'care' that they provided anyway), but I suppose that's covered by 1A and you can verbally abuse an innocent patient all you like without any risk to your license. I don't disagree with that part of their conclusion, being an asshole isn't illegal, but it's worth noting that nursing license apparently doesn't cover verbal forms of misconduct. So realistically although there are a few brave nurses, I would expect instead at least in my state (AZ) the nursing board will run cover for them while they perform the illegal search and then they won't have to worry about the police arresting them for non-compliance either. When I checked that same nurses license, she also had been in trouble for stealing and child neglect, that also apparently is no problem in Arizona...

ta988 5mo ago

search for eminent domain in the us, it can be much worse than just $100

mothballed 5mo ago
I was billed about $1000 when US police took me to ER in cuffs and claimed (made up) I was secretly smuggling drugs up my ass. ------- re: below (throttled) ---------- They got a warrant afterwards which they somehow applied retroactively. I found out police had systematically been doing this to people and in fact already sued for this. The hospital had also already been put on notice after ACLU sued in a different state. I contacted several lawyers and the ACLU (since they already had posted notice for this same thing). ACLU was radio silence for the entire couple years of the statue of limitations, so no help there. The best shot I had was contacting a couple lawyers who specifically sued against the same people who had done it before. They lost the last time due to the courts considering the hospital as effectively deputized as federal officers while it happened. The courts/state got around the lawsuit by claiming it is medical care whenever the warrant issue come up, then claim it is a LEO search whenever the medical aspects of the search were challenged, creating a catch 22. All lawyers involved told me they'd given up such cases (impossible to win). The prior, almost identical but even worse case (woman finger-raped by doctors without a warrant) was lost due to the catch-22 of it being a "search" whenever the medical aspects were challenged and being "medical care" whenever the search aspects were challenged. This meant it was effectively impossible to challenge it from any available angle. As for the bill, I never paid it. Still chased by debt collectors for it though. Basically if federal officers involved you are fucked. Lon Horiuchi straight up sniped an innocent woman holding a baby in her arms, over a husband's failure to appear in court, and even he couldn't be held accountable.
- gwbas1c 5mo ago
  Did they have a warrant? They (the cops) can't force a hospital to do anything without a warrant. Sue the hospital & police; if you can't afford a lawyer, take whoever billed you to small claims to get your money back.
  - mindslight 5mo ago
    It seems like you're trying to assuage your own cognitive dissonance from a belief that this system must still somehow be consistent and just.
    - gwbas1c 5mo ago
      No, my wife works at a hospital. The story is that a cop dragged a suspect into the hospital and demanded that a nurse give the patient a blood test, which is extremely illegal. The cop arrested her, but she was 100% in the right and the judge released her the next day.
      - mothballed 5mo ago
        I filed a nursing board complaint against the nurse, they argued that the (privately employed) nurse functions as a police for the purpose of a search therefore if they act without a warrant it's not a nursing matter but rather a police matter. I could argue it was an illegal search, but not to the nursing board, they weren't willing to consider whether the search was illegal or not, only that since the government directed the search that she wasn't acting within the capacity of her nursing license but rather in an LEO capacity. My complaint against her license was summarily closed since in their eyes whether a warrant existed was immaterial. I also complained to the board the nurse cursed at me and called me a criminal (because I refused the 'care' that they provided anyway), but I suppose that's covered by 1A and you can verbally abuse an innocent patient all you like without any risk to your license. I don't disagree with that part of their conclusion, being an asshole isn't illegal, but it's worth noting that nursing license apparently doesn't cover verbal forms of misconduct. So realistically although there are a few brave nurses, I would expect instead at least in my state (AZ) the nursing board will run cover for them while they perform the illegal search and then they won't have to worry about the police arresting them for non-compliance either. When I checked that same nurses license, she also had been in trouble for stealing and child neglect, that also apparently is no problem in Arizona...