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Everyone hates on Microsoft, but their platform is 50x better than Google. Personally nowadays I would be looking at Proton if I was going to setup a workspace

Everyone hates on Microsoft, but their platform is 50x better than Google. Personally nowadays I would be looking at Proton if I was going to setup a workspace for my company.

windexh8er 5mo ago
This is hilarious. Microsoft has had many issues and outages with M365 in the last few years. I mean, I guess if you don't rely on mail, then sure.
- b112 5mo ago
  If one takes the comment to mean, 50x better for support, I can believe that. After all, 50x almost nothing can be achieved fairly easily.
  - nottorp 5mo ago
    Maybe MS actually has support. The UI is so much worse than Google's (which is bad enough for communication compared to Slack) that you just cannot win though.
    - deleted 5mo ago
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- SV_BubbleTime 5mo ago
  We are 365 shop… I cannot think of one single time the 365 being down has affected us at all. Maybe you’re right I don’t know. Maybe your region is worse than my region.
  - windexh8er 5mo ago
    Then I would gather you don't rely on mail like many of their customers. Just do a simple search of M365 outages and you'll get plenty just in the last year.
    - SV_BubbleTime 5mo ago
      I would say we do rely on email. But that we have not noticed any interruption.
      - windexh8er 5mo ago
        Just to put a pin in it, hard to argue with the official history [0]. [0] https://x.com/MSFT365Status https://x.com/MSFT365Status
        SV_BubbleTime 5mo ago
        What do you get out of pretending that every little hiccup is a global outage during work hours?
        windexh8er 5mo ago
        I'm not pretending. I was literally on a trip with a friend who had a significant number of his customers in M365. He burned over a day, back in January of this year, getting things squared away. And he was saying that wasn't the first time within a month. He also had recently gotten locked out of Google Workspace for a different customer because of a domain registration issue that put him in a deadlock where he couldn't validate the domain because he was locked out and, if I'm remembering correctly, he needed the Workspace access to validate for the changes he needed to make. It was comical and even though it was a paid for account Google was basically useless / non-responsive. I've also, unfortunately, had to deal with a lot of M365 integrations and external tooling. The fact that changes made in those environment don't always propagate immediately (and there's not indication in the UI of when it will take place) led us to create explicit documentation about how setup in an M365 environment for our tooling could take up to 24 hours because of the inability to programmatically get status of what configuration was deployed. Mail implementations were bad, but Teams was even worse. Talk about nightmare fuel of renaming things every year, APIs that work consistently about half the time and the inability to know when a configuration change was actually applied has definitely convinced me that Microsoft doesn't care and/or doesn't know how anymore. It's "good enough" for most, but flaming garbage for those who care. You can go to bat all you want for Microsoft, the public record doesn't lie though. And if fanboy'ism is still a thing with big tech, well... That's just embarrassing. But, hey, maybe they sign your checks?
- traderj0e 5mo ago
  Nobody cares about very temporary outages, they care about support
xp84 5mo ago
I have to say, I’m finding the “New Outlook” deeply unsatisfying coming from a GSuite company the past 4 years. MS was better in 2021 than it is now. The new one reeks of Jony Ive style minimalism. I constantly can’t find anything I need, and it takes a lot of fiddling to do simple things. I generally have rooted for MS over GOOG on this type of thing, so I am not saying this out of fanboyism.
eowln 5mo ago
Outlook is better than Gmail? This is a hotter-than-the-Sun take. Have you actually tried both?
- permalac 5mo ago
  Used them both for years. Outlook eats Gmail for breakfast. The way shared accounts, lists, and work assignments are done in Outlook require their backend (share point inheritance), and google drive is pretty good even for some small files, but when all is considered O365 wins. Then if you are in Europe, you should not use any of those and other very good solutions are currently growing super fast.

Everyone hates on Microsoft, but their platform is 50x better than Google. Personally nowadays I would be looking at Proton if I was going to setup a workspace for my company.

windexh8er 5mo ago

This is hilarious. Microsoft has had many issues and outages with M365 in the last few years. I mean, I guess if you don't rely on mail, then sure.

b112 5mo ago
If one takes the comment to mean, 50x better for support, I can believe that. After all, 50x almost nothing can be achieved fairly easily.
- nottorp 5mo ago
  Maybe MS actually has support. The UI is so much worse than Google's (which is bad enough for communication compared to Slack) that you just cannot win though.
  - deleted 5mo ago
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SV_BubbleTime 5mo ago
We are 365 shop… I cannot think of one single time the 365 being down has affected us at all. Maybe you’re right I don’t know. Maybe your region is worse than my region.
- windexh8er 5mo ago
  Then I would gather you don't rely on mail like many of their customers. Just do a simple search of M365 outages and you'll get plenty just in the last year.
  - SV_BubbleTime 5mo ago
    I would say we do rely on email. But that we have not noticed any interruption.
    - windexh8er 5mo ago
      Just to put a pin in it, hard to argue with the official history [0]. [0] https://x.com/MSFT365Status https://x.com/MSFT365Status
      - SV_BubbleTime 5mo ago
        What do you get out of pretending that every little hiccup is a global outage during work hours?
        windexh8er 5mo ago
        I'm not pretending. I was literally on a trip with a friend who had a significant number of his customers in M365. He burned over a day, back in January of this year, getting things squared away. And he was saying that wasn't the first time within a month. He also had recently gotten locked out of Google Workspace for a different customer because of a domain registration issue that put him in a deadlock where he couldn't validate the domain because he was locked out and, if I'm remembering correctly, he needed the Workspace access to validate for the changes he needed to make. It was comical and even though it was a paid for account Google was basically useless / non-responsive. I've also, unfortunately, had to deal with a lot of M365 integrations and external tooling. The fact that changes made in those environment don't always propagate immediately (and there's not indication in the UI of when it will take place) led us to create explicit documentation about how setup in an M365 environment for our tooling could take up to 24 hours because of the inability to programmatically get status of what configuration was deployed. Mail implementations were bad, but Teams was even worse. Talk about nightmare fuel of renaming things every year, APIs that work consistently about half the time and the inability to know when a configuration change was actually applied has definitely convinced me that Microsoft doesn't care and/or doesn't know how anymore. It's "good enough" for most, but flaming garbage for those who care. You can go to bat all you want for Microsoft, the public record doesn't lie though. And if fanboy'ism is still a thing with big tech, well... That's just embarrassing. But, hey, maybe they sign your checks?
traderj0e 5mo ago
Nobody cares about very temporary outages, they care about support

xp84 5mo ago

I have to say, I’m finding the “New Outlook” deeply unsatisfying coming from a GSuite company the past 4 years. MS was better in 2021 than it is now. The new one reeks of Jony Ive style minimalism. I constantly can’t find anything I need, and it takes a lot of fiddling to do simple things. I generally have rooted for MS over GOOG on this type of thing, so I am not saying this out of fanboyism.

eowln 5mo ago

Outlook is better than Gmail? This is a hotter-than-the-Sun take. Have you actually tried both?

permalac 5mo ago
Used them both for years. Outlook eats Gmail for breakfast. The way shared accounts, lists, and work assignments are done in Outlook require their backend (share point inheritance), and google drive is pretty good even for some small files, but when all is considered O365 wins. Then if you are in Europe, you should not use any of those and other very good solutions are currently growing super fast.