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Paywall: can anyone share what the issue is? Inaccuracy in meeting minutes? Leaking private info, re security of notes? I have never used them (don't trust t

Paywall: can anyone share what the issue is? Inaccuracy in meeting minutes? Leaking private info, re security of notes? I have never used them (don't trust them to accurately capture what is important in a meeting vs just noting what's mentioned), but the concept seems very useful to me.

close04 5mo ago
It's in the viewable text on the page. > A trendy productivity hack, A.I. note takers are capturing every joke and offhand comment in many meetings. They could also potentially waive attorney-client privilege. By now everyone knows that AI notes that aren't curated by a human will catch every silly thing that was said in the meeting while omitting the context of the tone or body language. Something as simple as "yeah, right" has vastly different meanings depending on how it was said. In a different context it's already been established that using AI breaks client attorney privilege [0] and this concern has been raised before by law firms [1][2] or the American Bar Association [3] (you can just hit escape before the paywall loads to see the full content). A judge will have to weigh in on this one too. I don't know what's with the wave of paywalled articles that keep making it to the front page without any workaround included in the submission. Even when you coax the text out of the page source, they're not very insightful to begin with. [0] https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/federal-court-rules-clients-use-generative-ai-not-privileged https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/federal-court-rules-... [1] https://www.smithlaw.com/newsroom/publications/the-silent-guest-in-your-meetings-legal-risks-of-ai-note-takers https://www.smithlaw.com/newsroom/publications/the-silent-gu... [2] https://natlawreview.com/article/when-ai-takes-notes-protecting-privilege-privacy-and-professional-obligations https://natlawreview.com/article/when-ai-takes-notes-protect... [3] https://www.americanbar.org/groups/gpsolo/resources/ereport/2025-september/ai-you-confidentiality-risks-meeting-transcription-note-taking-software/ https://www.americanbar.org/groups/gpsolo/resources/ereport/...
- pjc50 5mo ago
  People opt in to the panopticon and then discover they have no more secrets. I'm surprised lawyers fall for that as well.
  - lukewarm707 5mo ago
    the doofus lawyer probably didn't realise, i wouldn't call it opt in
  - close04 5mo ago
    If a lawyer takes notes and puts them in a computer, or a cloud drive, or send it over email, they are still covered by attorney-client privilege, right? If they use an AI to do it, it's treated more like a third party no longer covered by the same privilege. If there's no court decision on this it only takes a bit of bad assumption to screw up with using AI. To be fair, the attorney-client privilege should be completely technology/medium agnostic. If the intention is to have that info stay between client and attorney, nothing should change this.
- lukewarm707 5mo ago
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- vintagedave 5mo ago
  > It's in the viewable text on the page. Not for me - there was no viewable text.
WillAdams 5mo ago
Reminds me of when I worked for a small shop which had the copier maintenance contract at a local college --- when something went wrong and wasn't properly addressed, my bosses found themselves being held to account with their own words from prior phone calls being quoted back to them verbatim --- which they were mystified by until I explained that the administrators had all come up from the clerical pool and knew shorthand.
LanceH 5mo ago
They are saying that it could invalidate attorney client privilege because the transcription could technically be available to an outside party. I suspect what isn't being said by the lawyers is they want to keep attorney client privilege so they can outright lie.
- keernan 5mo ago
  >they want to keep attorney client privilege so they can outright lie As a trial attorney for over 40 years, that is an incredibly offensive take. Attorney/client privilege is usually litigation related and a prime example of the nature of conversations involve our advising our client of the prospects of prevailing at trial and whether to engage in settlement discussions with money amounts involved. If some day you are sued and you have a conversation with your lawyer about your financial worth as well as how much you are willing to pay to the person suing you - and that information ends up being turned over to the person suing you - you won't be so snide about the importance of attorney client privilege.
bearjaws 5mo ago
The main risk is attorney client privilege and it's already been tested in New York, if you transcribe a call you need to turn over the transcriptions and they can subpoena the company doing the transcription for the records if you refuse.

close04 5mo ago

It's in the viewable text on the page. > A trendy productivity hack, A.I. note takers are capturing every joke and offhand comment in many meetings. They could also potentially waive attorney-client privilege. By now everyone knows that AI notes that aren't curated by a human will catch every silly thing that was said in the meeting while omitting the context of the tone or body language. Something as simple as "yeah, right" has vastly different meanings depending on how it was said. In a different context it's already been established that using AI breaks client attorney privilege [0] and this concern has been raised before by law firms [1][2] or the American Bar Association [3] (you can just hit escape before the paywall loads to see the full content). A judge will have to weigh in on this one too. I don't know what's with the wave of paywalled articles that keep making it to the front page without any workaround included in the submission. Even when you coax the text out of the page source, they're not very insightful to begin with. [0] https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/federal-court-rules-clients-use-generative-ai-not-privileged https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/federal-court-rules-... [1] https://www.smithlaw.com/newsroom/publications/the-silent-guest-in-your-meetings-legal-risks-of-ai-note-takers https://www.smithlaw.com/newsroom/publications/the-silent-gu... [2] https://natlawreview.com/article/when-ai-takes-notes-protecting-privilege-privacy-and-professional-obligations https://natlawreview.com/article/when-ai-takes-notes-protect... [3] https://www.americanbar.org/groups/gpsolo/resources/ereport/2025-september/ai-you-confidentiality-risks-meeting-transcription-note-taking-software/ https://www.americanbar.org/groups/gpsolo/resources/ereport/...

pjc50 5mo ago
People opt in to the panopticon and then discover they have no more secrets. I'm surprised lawyers fall for that as well.
- lukewarm707 5mo ago
  the doofus lawyer probably didn't realise, i wouldn't call it opt in
- close04 5mo ago
  If a lawyer takes notes and puts them in a computer, or a cloud drive, or send it over email, they are still covered by attorney-client privilege, right? If they use an AI to do it, it's treated more like a third party no longer covered by the same privilege. If there's no court decision on this it only takes a bit of bad assumption to screw up with using AI. To be fair, the attorney-client privilege should be completely technology/medium agnostic. If the intention is to have that info stay between client and attorney, nothing should change this.
lukewarm707 5mo ago
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vintagedave 5mo ago
> It's in the viewable text on the page. Not for me - there was no viewable text.

WillAdams 5mo ago

Reminds me of when I worked for a small shop which had the copier maintenance contract at a local college --- when something went wrong and wasn't properly addressed, my bosses found themselves being held to account with their own words from prior phone calls being quoted back to them verbatim --- which they were mystified by until I explained that the administrators had all come up from the clerical pool and knew shorthand.

LanceH 5mo ago

They are saying that it could invalidate attorney client privilege because the transcription could technically be available to an outside party. I suspect what isn't being said by the lawyers is they want to keep attorney client privilege so they can outright lie.

keernan 5mo ago
>they want to keep attorney client privilege so they can outright lie As a trial attorney for over 40 years, that is an incredibly offensive take. Attorney/client privilege is usually litigation related and a prime example of the nature of conversations involve our advising our client of the prospects of prevailing at trial and whether to engage in settlement discussions with money amounts involved. If some day you are sued and you have a conversation with your lawyer about your financial worth as well as how much you are willing to pay to the person suing you - and that information ends up being turned over to the person suing you - you won't be so snide about the importance of attorney client privilege.

bearjaws 5mo ago

The main risk is attorney client privilege and it's already been tested in New York, if you transcribe a call you need to turn over the transcriptions and they can subpoena the company doing the transcription for the records if you refuse.