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If a hammer had a chat interface that said everything was a nail then the answer would be yes, the hammer lies to you about everything being a nail.

walletdrainer 5mo ago
If someone believes a hammer when it tells them such things, they should probably have some sort of a caretaker assigned to help them through life.
- mvid 5mo ago
  If hammer companies were suddenly the most valuable international companies, and spent millions on ad campaigns and lobbying about trusting the hammer interface, then you can assume a large amount of people might trust the hammer interface
  - walletdrainer 5mo ago
    Where are the ad campaigns telling me to trust LLMs? I don’t use an adblocker, do read traditional dead tree newspapers and do get exposed to satellite tv channels. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone anywhere telling me how reliable LLMs are. Pretty sure this tech sells itself to consumers, enterprise sales are what they’ve always been.
    - card_zero 5mo ago
      So now you're pivoting away from the caretaker proposal? I thought it had potential but I don't know how you'd fund it.
      - walletdrainer 5mo ago
        > I thought it had potential but I don't know how you'd fund it. The same way we fund other social services here in Europe. If an individual is incapable of caring for themselves, the state is expected to care for them.
    - alnwlsn 5mo ago
      Literally saw a video ad the other day which went like "I've always been cautious using Google's AI because it sometimes gets things wrong, but this time, it got it right!"
  - leidenfrost 5mo ago
    Still, it's a tool. Even if your tool learns to talk and to make decisions, it's still a tool, not a person. You're the person and the one responsible for the decisions you make based on your tools. Going back from the analogy, the problem is that we conflated software <engineers> with "coders". A lot of people thought their job was to create code, we gave them a tool to generate a lot of code fast, and they truly think that "more code" = "more good"
    - kiba 5mo ago
      A hammer usually doesn't have the power to persuade people.
    - TheScaryOne 5mo ago
      > it's still a tool, not a person. Tell that to the CEO's who have replaced all of their yes-men with yes-chatbots.
digitalPhonix 5mo ago
That wasn’t the question though? A hammer doesn’t have a chat interface, that’s the point.
- kasabali 5mo ago
  Duh

walletdrainer 5mo ago

If someone believes a hammer when it tells them such things, they should probably have some sort of a caretaker assigned to help them through life.

mvid 5mo ago
If hammer companies were suddenly the most valuable international companies, and spent millions on ad campaigns and lobbying about trusting the hammer interface, then you can assume a large amount of people might trust the hammer interface
- walletdrainer 5mo ago
  Where are the ad campaigns telling me to trust LLMs? I don’t use an adblocker, do read traditional dead tree newspapers and do get exposed to satellite tv channels. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone anywhere telling me how reliable LLMs are. Pretty sure this tech sells itself to consumers, enterprise sales are what they’ve always been.
  - card_zero 5mo ago
    So now you're pivoting away from the caretaker proposal? I thought it had potential but I don't know how you'd fund it.
    - walletdrainer 5mo ago
      > I thought it had potential but I don't know how you'd fund it. The same way we fund other social services here in Europe. If an individual is incapable of caring for themselves, the state is expected to care for them.
  - alnwlsn 5mo ago
    Literally saw a video ad the other day which went like "I've always been cautious using Google's AI because it sometimes gets things wrong, but this time, it got it right!"
- leidenfrost 5mo ago
  Still, it's a tool. Even if your tool learns to talk and to make decisions, it's still a tool, not a person. You're the person and the one responsible for the decisions you make based on your tools. Going back from the analogy, the problem is that we conflated software <engineers> with "coders". A lot of people thought their job was to create code, we gave them a tool to generate a lot of code fast, and they truly think that "more code" = "more good"
  - kiba 5mo ago
    A hammer usually doesn't have the power to persuade people.
  - TheScaryOne 5mo ago
    > it's still a tool, not a person. Tell that to the CEO's who have replaced all of their yes-men with yes-chatbots.

digitalPhonix 5mo ago

That wasn’t the question though? A hammer doesn’t have a chat interface, that’s the point.

kasabali 5mo ago
Duh