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Came here with roughly the same thought. Given the stated importance to many of sovereignty and not being dependent on the US, why isn’t there more opposition?

by andy99 5mo ago

Came here with roughly the same thought. Given the stated importance to many of sovereignty and not being dependent on the US, why isn’t there more opposition? I assume it’s just ignorance?

elric 5mo ago
There is some opposition, but none of it is making a dent. It's depressing. I can't decide if it's incompetence, corruption, or malice.
- greggoB 5mo ago
  Probably some combination of all three.
- palata 5mo ago
  Before thinking about corruption or malice, I like to try to assume good faith. And I see a couple things: 1. Most people don't write. 2. The people who write are not always competent. 3. The people who write often have an agenda, too. What's the consequence of that? Imagine what the politicians receive: tons of messages of people complaining, most of which are factually wrong. What to do then? How to know who is right? It's genuinely hard. EDIT: please write here: https://european-union.europa.eu/contact-eu/write-us_en https://european-union.europa.eu/contact-eu/write-us_en
bojan 5mo ago
We have voted in the most right-wing Parliament and, by extension, Commission, in the EU's history. It only makes sense they'll prioritize big-business interests over those of the common folk.
- dmoy 5mo ago
  Yea that's fair / makes sense from a democracy point of view (even if I might disagree personally). It's a bit odd that Europe prioritizes American big-business interests I guess? Idk, as an American it does seem kinda like an odd choice.
  - cherryteastain 5mo ago
    It's more useful to view the whole situation as EU politicians prioritizing to have their pockets filled with lobbyist money, rather than the EU as a political entity deciding this per se.
    - palata 5mo ago
      It's not completely fair. The US also bullies them into doing those things, it's not only "pure corruption to fill their pockets". How many European countries buy American weapons because they are scared of what would happen if they pissed off the US? And then they still get tariffs and threats of military invasion.
- Pfeil 5mo ago
  Does it really make sense? Right wing politicians are calling themselves patriots, why would they support foreign companies and give them so much power? Must be a dangerous mix of corruption and stupidity?
vanviegen 5mo ago
Digital sovereignty has only become a serious political topic in the EU over the past year. It may take a decade to see the effects of this in laws and policies.
- pphysch 5mo ago
  It's more than that, before recently the very idea of "digital sovereignty" was framed as a dangerous Russian conspiracy by the West's top info warriors. Example: https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2021/july/information-sovereignty https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2021/july/information-sovereignty
izacus 5mo ago
Since you're so much more informed - which integrity guaranteeing product would you use for mobile devices that European citizens use? Covering more than 90% of population?

by andy99 5mo ago

Came here with roughly the same thought. Given the stated importance to many of sovereignty and not being dependent on the US, why isn’t there more opposition? I assume it’s just ignorance?

elric 5mo ago

There is some opposition, but none of it is making a dent. It's depressing. I can't decide if it's incompetence, corruption, or malice.

greggoB 5mo ago
Probably some combination of all three.
palata 5mo ago
Before thinking about corruption or malice, I like to try to assume good faith. And I see a couple things: 1. Most people don't write. 2. The people who write are not always competent. 3. The people who write often have an agenda, too. What's the consequence of that? Imagine what the politicians receive: tons of messages of people complaining, most of which are factually wrong. What to do then? How to know who is right? It's genuinely hard. EDIT: please write here: https://european-union.europa.eu/contact-eu/write-us_en https://european-union.europa.eu/contact-eu/write-us_en

bojan 5mo ago

We have voted in the most right-wing Parliament and, by extension, Commission, in the EU's history. It only makes sense they'll prioritize big-business interests over those of the common folk.

dmoy 5mo ago
Yea that's fair / makes sense from a democracy point of view (even if I might disagree personally). It's a bit odd that Europe prioritizes American big-business interests I guess? Idk, as an American it does seem kinda like an odd choice.
- cherryteastain 5mo ago
  It's more useful to view the whole situation as EU politicians prioritizing to have their pockets filled with lobbyist money, rather than the EU as a political entity deciding this per se.
  - palata 5mo ago
    It's not completely fair. The US also bullies them into doing those things, it's not only "pure corruption to fill their pockets". How many European countries buy American weapons because they are scared of what would happen if they pissed off the US? And then they still get tariffs and threats of military invasion.
Pfeil 5mo ago
Does it really make sense? Right wing politicians are calling themselves patriots, why would they support foreign companies and give them so much power? Must be a dangerous mix of corruption and stupidity?

vanviegen 5mo ago

Digital sovereignty has only become a serious political topic in the EU over the past year. It may take a decade to see the effects of this in laws and policies.

pphysch 5mo ago
It's more than that, before recently the very idea of "digital sovereignty" was framed as a dangerous Russian conspiracy by the West's top info warriors. Example: https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2021/july/information-sovereignty https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2021/july/information-sovereignty

izacus 5mo ago

Since you're so much more informed - which integrity guaranteeing product would you use for mobile devices that European citizens use? Covering more than 90% of population?