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>a small village less than three miles from the Israeli border which had turned into a battlefield during Israel’s campaign against Hezbollah in 2024. Classic
by gregbot 5mo ago
>a small village less than three miles from the Israeli border which had turned into a battlefield during Israel’s campaign against Hezbollah in 2024.
Classic New York Times style writing. This sentence should say “Israel attacked this village as part of its invasion of southern Lebanon and Hezbollah defended it”
Imagine if this whitewashing were done to Russia: Karkiv, a small city 10 miles from the Russian boarder which had turned into a battlefield during Russia’s campaign against Zelenski in 2022”
- myth_drannon 5mo ago[flagged]
- diogenes_atx 5mo agoAre you saying that Israel intentionally targets civilians? As a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, Israel is obligated to protect civilians and civilian populations from all dangers arising from military operations, and Israel is prohibited from direct attacks on civilians. The IDF must distinguish between civilian and military objectives and take all feasible precautions to avoid or minimize incidental loss of civilian life. Civilians lose protected status only if they take a direct part in hostilities.
- ajewhere2 5mo ago[dead]
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- dang 5mo agoNo idea what this is about but you can't post like this to HN. We ban accounts that attack others, so please don't do anything like that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- SPCECDET 5mo agoAs someone who has lost family and continues to. Have you not been paying attention to what has happened in Gaza? Conservatively.. Well over 20,000 children killed in Gaza alone. What would you call that? I also recommend looking into an Ai system developed by the Israeli's called "Where's Daddy". Admittedly used during the the Gaza campaign by IOF themselves.
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- xg15 5mo agoCome on, dude...
- protocolture 5mo ago>Are you saying that Israel intentionally targets civilians? Yes. >As a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, Israel is obligated to protect civilians and civilian populations from all dangers arising from military operations, and Israel is prohibited from direct attacks on civilians. They dont do it. >The IDF must distinguish between civilian and military They do this, then pull the trigger anyway.
- ajewhere2 5mo ago[dead]
- AuthAuth 5mo agoIts not up to Hezbollah to defend it. Lebanon is not asking Hezbollah to do this.
- xg15 5mo agoWhy did the Lebanese army not defend it then?
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago[flagged]
- xg15 5mo agoAnd I guess the one million Lebanese citizens who just permanently lost their homes just had bad luck...
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago[flagged]
- xg15 5mo ago> No, the folks up north traded their homes and security for keeping Beirut more or less intact. Beirut (the parts where Hezbollah has the biggest presence, granted) is bombarded every few days... > a force that fights no longer for the Lebanese people but entirely for a foreign leader. This is the standard western/Israeli narrative in that regard. The Lebanese people seem to view that differently. > though Netanyahu clearly does for personal political reasons. Israel has to rid itself of Likud. Netanyahu does lots of stuff for personal reasons, but with regards to the wars, there is little the opposition would do differently.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago> Beirut (the parts where Hezbollah has the biggest presence, granted) is bombarded every few days Not in the way it would be if Lebanon declared war on Israel. > Lebanese people seem to view that differently Lebanon is uniquely diverse. The Lebanese I know absolutely see it this way, and with justification. (To be clear, that doesn’t make them peachy towards Israel doing the same.) > with regards to the wars, there is little the opposition would do differently Oof, I suspect you’re right. A unilateral course, then: the LAF disarms Hezbollah and then restores the Lebanese state’s monopoly on violence within its borders. Ideally timed to a change in political winds for Tel Aviv in America. Possibly with Turkish or even Saudi support. (Not holding my breath for the EU.)
- jakobov 5mo ago[flagged]
- josefritzishere 5mo agoYou say that like it was without any motive. Everyone knows Israel invaded and occupied Palestine starting in 1948.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago[flagged]
- paulatreides 5mo ago[flagged]
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- xg15 5mo agoKilling 70.000 as revenge for 1200 is not particularly blurry. Neither is ensuring that Palestinians live in perpetual misery.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago[flagged]
- xg15 5mo agoThen maybe we shouldn't go out of our way to support one of those sides and provide the overwhelming firepower.
- YeGoblynQueenne 5mo agoWell, Hezbollah is not defending anything, all they do is shoot rockets and lately fly drones. That's because they don't really have the capability to do anything else, they're a militia up against a fully modernised army and they are forced to fight in an asymmetric manner and so on. One does not simply "defend" territory with irregulars. I understand that they are in a difficult position for a force that wants to place itself as the legitimate resistance to an invading army, in fact that's the same situation that Hamas finds itself in but with a more obvious occupation (it's not clear to most people that parts of Lebanon are under Israeli occupation, or at least contested). But what's the end result of fighting? Death and ruin. Nothing else. For Hamas, they had their little "triumph" in October 7 23 and then they lost half of Gaza and the other half is a wasteland. How is that "defending" anything, either the territory or the people? The same thing is happening in Southern Lebanon, and Hezbollah are just as incapable of doing anything to stop the IDF advance as Hamas were in Gaza. They can't defend a thing. If we are to have any sympathy for the cause, if not the tactics or the ideology, of terrorist resistance groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, we have to also understand that their struggle is hopeless. Violence is clearly not the way for them to win, because the force they are fighting has all the violence. Non-violence is also not an answer because the force they fight has all the violence. They're screwed, quite bad, and there's no way out. I think it's clear they don't fight to defend anything, just because there's nothing they can do and they might as well go down fighting, or they'll go insane. Or more insane.
- YeGoblynQueenne 5mo agoI just wanted to clarify the above comment so I'm not misunderstood: no, I have no sympathy for Hezbollah, or their cause. I think they're bloody idiots who have caused untold death and destruction, and now the loss of South Lebanon, for entirely ideological reasons, and for no practical purpose.
- oldandboring 5mo agoYou write well and you mean well but what's actually hopeless is trying to use logic with the people who post these kinds of articles and crawl out to comment on them. They're never going to view these conflicts dispassionately, seek out or absorb objective facts or explanations that challenge their preconceptions. They're motivated by an animus toward Israel they nearly all seem to lack toward any other country, they hold Israel to a standard that no other country is actively held to, and yet their worst nightmare is being called antisemites.