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Before I got married and had kids I thought it was a dumb Hallmark holiday. Now I think it's really significant and important to have an official day dedicated

Before I got married and had kids I thought it was a dumb Hallmark holiday. Now I think it's really significant and important to have an official day dedicated to recognize all the moms out there. Happy mother's day to all the moms out there. And all the guys that made them moms :)

Balgair 6mo ago
Each child is biologically required to have a mother. Fatherhood is a well-regarded theory, but motherhood is a fact. P. J. O'Rourke
- treis 6mo ago
  This is not true on just so many levels. Lots of people have mothers not worthy of the name. I don't know exactly what fatherhood being a theory and motherhood being a fact means but I struggle to find any that isn't offensive to fathers.
  - Balgair 6mo ago
    O'Rourke was a conservative satirist (back when that could even be a thing), was semi-famous for his long term appearances on NPR's Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, and was an advocate for gonzo journalism. I take his quote to mean that motherhood is more difficult than fatherhood, especially back in the time he was active. The quote should, I feel, not be observed as a factual statement, but rather in the vein of his politically based humor. Largely, it was a simpler time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._O%27Rourke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._O%27Rourke
    - lanstin 6mo ago
      I was a stay at home dad for a number of years and my observation is that kids never get over a bad relationship with their mother (also informed by knowing a number of adults with mothers that weren’t that good for them); any one can benefit from a good relationship with their father, but it’s a little more optional for the most kids. Ready to benefit from a supportive dad but ready to go it without that sort of helpfulness.
    - 31carmichael 6mo ago
      You probably don't understand most clever jokes. O'Rourke's would clearly be lost on you.
i_love_retros 6mo ago
Why? What is special about being a mom? Are moms better than non moms? Lots of booze and a one night stand will create a mom, right? Not exactly a special feat
- rationalist 6mo ago
  It's a day for mothers (which could be a step-parent, someone who adopted, neighbor, etc) - it's not Biological Incubator's Day.
  - i_love_retros 6mo ago
    That's not really true. One would like it to be, but it's not. We are taught to worship biological mothers in society so that people keep having kids and thus feeding the tax collector, military machine, cleaning toilets etc. Take veterans for example- we put them on a pedestal so that more kids sign up to feed the meat grinder in the hope of having a "veteran" car sticker one day.
    - sigseg1v 6mo ago
      I sincerely hope that you successfully navigate whatever it is that you are going through. This is not a sane or normal view of the world.
      - i_love_retros 6mo ago
        Some people just can't handle the truth
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- lanstin 6mo ago
  Even bad mothering takes a tremendous amount of work and selflessness. It is worth recognition prima facie.

Balgair 6mo ago

Each child is biologically required to have a mother. Fatherhood is a well-regarded theory, but motherhood is a fact. P. J. O'Rourke

treis 6mo ago
This is not true on just so many levels. Lots of people have mothers not worthy of the name. I don't know exactly what fatherhood being a theory and motherhood being a fact means but I struggle to find any that isn't offensive to fathers.
- Balgair 6mo ago
  O'Rourke was a conservative satirist (back when that could even be a thing), was semi-famous for his long term appearances on NPR's Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, and was an advocate for gonzo journalism. I take his quote to mean that motherhood is more difficult than fatherhood, especially back in the time he was active. The quote should, I feel, not be observed as a factual statement, but rather in the vein of his politically based humor. Largely, it was a simpler time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._O%27Rourke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._O%27Rourke
  - lanstin 6mo ago
    I was a stay at home dad for a number of years and my observation is that kids never get over a bad relationship with their mother (also informed by knowing a number of adults with mothers that weren’t that good for them); any one can benefit from a good relationship with their father, but it’s a little more optional for the most kids. Ready to benefit from a supportive dad but ready to go it without that sort of helpfulness.
  - 31carmichael 6mo ago
    You probably don't understand most clever jokes. O'Rourke's would clearly be lost on you.

i_love_retros 6mo ago

Why? What is special about being a mom? Are moms better than non moms? Lots of booze and a one night stand will create a mom, right? Not exactly a special feat

rationalist 6mo ago
It's a day for mothers (which could be a step-parent, someone who adopted, neighbor, etc) - it's not Biological Incubator's Day.
- i_love_retros 6mo ago
  That's not really true. One would like it to be, but it's not. We are taught to worship biological mothers in society so that people keep having kids and thus feeding the tax collector, military machine, cleaning toilets etc. Take veterans for example- we put them on a pedestal so that more kids sign up to feed the meat grinder in the hope of having a "veteran" car sticker one day.
  - sigseg1v 6mo ago
    I sincerely hope that you successfully navigate whatever it is that you are going through. This is not a sane or normal view of the world.
    - i_love_retros 6mo ago
      Some people just can't handle the truth
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lanstin 6mo ago
Even bad mothering takes a tremendous amount of work and selflessness. It is worth recognition prima facie.