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The big consequence here is for the EU. And the only way to deal with this is for the EU to force US, India and China to seriously reduce energy use, and with t

by spwa4 6mo ago

The big consequence here is for the EU. And the only way to deal with this is for the EU to force US, India and China to seriously reduce energy use, and with that, their economy. This is not going to happen. The EU can't even convince itself to stop buying from China.

2ndorderthought 6mo ago
China has made huge efforts toward sustainable power. Google it. The us on the other hand is well you know blowing up oil all over the world with military conflicts that are wars but aren't wars but are wars that are over but evolving and over and evolving. They are also rolling back green energy projects , fueling data centers with gas, etc.
- scoofy 6mo ago
  China’s greatest geopolitical weakness is lack of access to petroleum. That’s why they are going so hard on renewables. We just get the benefits for free.
  - pipodeclown 6mo ago
    Sure but that doesn't change the fact that they are charging s Ahead while the rest of us sit on our hands.
    - spwa4 6mo ago
      China has slowed the rate at which China is making global climate worse. That's where we currently stand. No more than that. This is not even remotely close to helping the climate. If your argument is that there should be a "yet" added to that sentence, sure. Let's hope so. But that's still where we currently stand.
- leereeves 6mo ago
  > China has made huge efforts toward sustainable power. Google it. While also increasing carbon-emissions. China is investing in creating more energy from every source.
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  - 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
    When is the last time you checked the statement you just made for truthfulness? All sources I've seen for years is decreased carbon emissions and stabilized output.
jmward01 6mo ago
I don't think China needs convincing. They have likely already hit peak emissions and will start dropping, potentially rapidly, going forward. Europe is big. It just needs to move forward with purpose and things will happen. Getting that purpose is the hard part because world leaders have consistently said 'it will destroy our economy' and never actually tried. China, again, is showing that this isn't true. You can have both, a strong economy and a plan, backed by action, to decarbonize. Had Europe and the US had the forethought to actually invest in solar and batteries then they could be leading the energy transition and profiting, with literal profit meaning hard cash, right now by selling to the rest of the world. Instead the boogyman argument of 'it will destroy our economy' keeps rearing its head. I am absolutely done with that argument.
- spwa4 6mo ago
  I don't get what's with all the China fanboys here. China is increasing it's CO2 output quite a bit. And for completeness, so is India. For both countries the CO2 output is bad enough that it's not just adding to global warming, but this coal plant smoke what's causing the famous smog in Beijing and New Delhi. It's causing breathing problems, cancer, ... in their population.
  - runarberg 6mo ago
    They demonstrably are not. https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-have-now-been-flat-or-falling-for-21-months/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-ha... https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-indias-co2-emissions-in-2025-grew-at-slowest-rate-in-two-decades/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-indias-co2-emissions-in...
    - spwa4 6mo ago
      First: look at the CO2 graph for China. That's not falling in any reasonable definition of a word, that's called "flat", even if it is technically less than before. Second: it's normal for graphs to fall off in their last 1-5 data points because measurements are still coming in. Third: it's using Chinese data. China has, by the way, publicly declared that they're lying about all public economic data. Please don't use Sinopec data to argue your point. https://www.iea.org/countries/china/emissions https://www.iea.org/countries/china/emissions China CO2 emissions are rising fast. Second: India's CO2 emissions are growing according to the article you posted.
fatuna 6mo ago
While there is definitely a big consequence for the EU (and surrounding countries), the article mentions big impacts for the whole world. When it comes to climate, nobody is left untouched...
kjetijor 6mo ago
It seems naive to think this will only have big consequences for the EU, it'll be disastrous for everything around the Atlantic, and likely beyond.
pllbnk 6mo ago
It won't be the case that a global scale ocean current collapses and its impact is local. It's like a butterfly effect where the butterfly is the size of an ocean - its wing flap will resonate throughout entire world with unpredictable natural and social consequences. There will be no winners, only losers.

by spwa4 6mo ago

2ndorderthought 6mo ago

China has made huge efforts toward sustainable power. Google it. The us on the other hand is well you know blowing up oil all over the world with military conflicts that are wars but aren't wars but are wars that are over but evolving and over and evolving. They are also rolling back green energy projects , fueling data centers with gas, etc.

scoofy 6mo ago
China’s greatest geopolitical weakness is lack of access to petroleum. That’s why they are going so hard on renewables. We just get the benefits for free.
- pipodeclown 6mo ago
  Sure but that doesn't change the fact that they are charging s Ahead while the rest of us sit on our hands.
  - spwa4 6mo ago
    China has slowed the rate at which China is making global climate worse. That's where we currently stand. No more than that. This is not even remotely close to helping the climate. If your argument is that there should be a "yet" added to that sentence, sure. Let's hope so. But that's still where we currently stand.
leereeves 6mo ago
> China has made huge efforts toward sustainable power. Google it. While also increasing carbon-emissions. China is investing in creating more energy from every source.
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- 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
  When is the last time you checked the statement you just made for truthfulness? All sources I've seen for years is decreased carbon emissions and stabilized output.

jmward01 6mo ago

I don't think China needs convincing. They have likely already hit peak emissions and will start dropping, potentially rapidly, going forward. Europe is big. It just needs to move forward with purpose and things will happen. Getting that purpose is the hard part because world leaders have consistently said 'it will destroy our economy' and never actually tried. China, again, is showing that this isn't true. You can have both, a strong economy and a plan, backed by action, to decarbonize. Had Europe and the US had the forethought to actually invest in solar and batteries then they could be leading the energy transition and profiting, with literal profit meaning hard cash, right now by selling to the rest of the world. Instead the boogyman argument of 'it will destroy our economy' keeps rearing its head. I am absolutely done with that argument.

spwa4 6mo ago
I don't get what's with all the China fanboys here. China is increasing it's CO2 output quite a bit. And for completeness, so is India. For both countries the CO2 output is bad enough that it's not just adding to global warming, but this coal plant smoke what's causing the famous smog in Beijing and New Delhi. It's causing breathing problems, cancer, ... in their population.
- runarberg 6mo ago
  They demonstrably are not. https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-have-now-been-flat-or-falling-for-21-months/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-ha... https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-indias-co2-emissions-in-2025-grew-at-slowest-rate-in-two-decades/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-indias-co2-emissions-in...
  - spwa4 6mo ago
    First: look at the CO2 graph for China. That's not falling in any reasonable definition of a word, that's called "flat", even if it is technically less than before. Second: it's normal for graphs to fall off in their last 1-5 data points because measurements are still coming in. Third: it's using Chinese data. China has, by the way, publicly declared that they're lying about all public economic data. Please don't use Sinopec data to argue your point. https://www.iea.org/countries/china/emissions https://www.iea.org/countries/china/emissions China CO2 emissions are rising fast. Second: India's CO2 emissions are growing according to the article you posted.

fatuna 6mo ago

While there is definitely a big consequence for the EU (and surrounding countries), the article mentions big impacts for the whole world. When it comes to climate, nobody is left untouched...

kjetijor 6mo ago

It seems naive to think this will only have big consequences for the EU, it'll be disastrous for everything around the Atlantic, and likely beyond.

pllbnk 6mo ago

It won't be the case that a global scale ocean current collapses and its impact is local. It's like a butterfly effect where the butterfly is the size of an ocean - its wing flap will resonate throughout entire world with unpredictable natural and social consequences. There will be no winners, only losers.