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> We beat the drum of education because it seems like a nice simple solution to fix a lot of perceived problems. “Oh you mean if we just throw money at this pro

> We beat the drum of education because it seems like a nice simple solution to fix a lot of perceived problems. “Oh you mean if we just throw money at this problem it’ll fix it?!” Its strange to say, but its actually thanks to black racism is why we're here. It started with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co. The result was that the courts determined that "aptitude/IQ tests" unfairly discriminated against black people. However, education requirements are not seen as such. So, we get "decent paying job" requiring 'a degree'. What degree? Doesnt matter. The degree is the legal form of 'we dont hire blacks'. It also has the side effect of 'we dont hire the poors' as well. Obviously there are positions that require advanced schooling. Im not talking about those.

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It is an article of faith on message boards that IQ tests are somehow unlawful in employment in the US because of Griggs. That's patently not the case. Plenty of large corporations with deep pockets do general cognitive testing (and even IQ testing) of incoming applicants. The companies that administer these tests have logo crawls, like every other product company, and the names are companies your mom will recognize. Griggs says that you can't employ IQ tests to discriminate for jobs where the IQ threshold you established is immaterial to the job. For modern knowledge work, that's a trivial bar to clear. It is essentially the case that Griggs is a nonfactor in white collar employment. My motivation for calling this out isn't that I'm OK with discriminating against Black people; quite the opposite, in fact. IQ tests aren't used more widely because they aren't effective at qualifying employees. IQ is an idee fixee among A Certain Part Of The Internet, and part of their pitch is that IQ tests are a secret cheat code that would enable hiring purely on merit, if only the woke wouldn't prevent it. No, false.

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tptacek 6mo ago

It is an article of faith on message boards that IQ tests are somehow unlawful in employment in the US because of Griggs. That's patently not the case. Plenty of large corporations with deep pockets do general cognitive testing (and even IQ testing) of incoming applicants. The companies that administer these tests have logo crawls, like every other product company, and the names are companies your mom will recognize. Griggs says that you can't employ IQ tests to discriminate for jobs where the IQ threshold you established is immaterial to the job. For modern knowledge work, that's a trivial bar to clear. It is essentially the case that Griggs is a nonfactor in white collar employment. My motivation for calling this out isn't that I'm OK with discriminating against Black people; quite the opposite, in fact. IQ tests aren't used more widely because they aren't effective at qualifying employees. IQ is an idee fixee among A Certain Part Of The Internet, and part of their pitch is that IQ tests are a secret cheat code that would enable hiring purely on merit, if only the woke wouldn't prevent it. No, false.