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That is because you have to see it in real life. I have never seen this calculator myself, but I have been to a lacquerware company called Hanoia in Vietnam. Th

by enaaem 5mo ago

That is because you have to see it in real life. I have never seen this calculator myself, but I have been to a lacquerware company called Hanoia in Vietnam. They als do lacquerware for Hermes. First thing you will notice is that the colours are super rich. If you see a yellow tea box, then it has the deepest and richest yellow you have ever seen. It is like going from a 2010 LCD to a 2026 OLED screen.

fwipsy 5mo ago
I have used both screens recently and I only notice the difference when I'm thinking about it. (Or when there's not enough space to fit everything I want to see.)
bluebarbet 5mo ago
>It is like going from a 2010 LCD to a 2026 OLED screen. Revealing. I'll bet plenty still can't tell the difference (or don't care). I'm one. I've always used low-end laptops, mobiles, clothes, vehicles, anything else you can think of. I care that it functions (so I buy good brands and new) but everything else except price is a very secondary. When I read things like "rich, vivid colors" in a description of a screen, for example, or "clear, deep bass" for some earbuds, my eyes glaze over. Whatever. Does it work and will it last?, is what I want to know. I also don't care about (or even really notice) the taste of tap water. Water is water. All this must be related and I can't be the only one.
- reaperducer 5mo ago
  You're not the only one. There are millions of people out there who have no appreciation for art, craft, skill, quality, or finesse. They're very base people who go through life seeing only price tags, and tallying worth only in dollar figures. They act like life is a video game and money is the score. It's a shallow life, devoid of the appreciation of all the wonderful things available, and in my estimation, barely living. It's just existing as a robot does. Why spend vacation in Fiji when there are sunsets in Fresno, too?
  - thomascountz 5mo ago
    This is needlessly judgmental and draws false equivalences between expression, impression, and consumerism.
    - dml2135 5mo ago
      I do think the mention of consumerism is apt. In my own encounters with those that seem to take pride in their inability to distinguish certain nuances, it does come off as a mental block borne of not wanting to feel like they are missing out on expensive things. I think it cuts both ways though — there are those who will exaggerate or outright fabricate subtle differences in order to justify their expensive purchases, and also those that will deny real differences because they think everyone is just doing the first thing.
      - II2II 5mo ago
        One can also look at distinguishing what is important to what is unimportant to a particular person. Personally, I look towards functionality over aesthetics. That isn't to say that I will completely disregard aesthetics, but I have certainly gone with those black bricks called ThinkPads over MacBooks in the past. You are right about it cutting both ways though. I remember laptop shopping with a colleague in the past. They were trying to replace a barely functional laptop that they purchased because of its "design" with something they could get work done on. Unfortunately, they refused to acknowledge that functionality is an element of design. The whole experience was one of frustration. This calculator appears to fit into a similar category. I'm sure it is a perfectly fine calculator, functionally speaking, if you are performing basic financial calculations. It isn't going to cut it if your working outside of that domain. When you consider that a calculator that is a tenth (or even a hundredth) of the price is going to offer a similar experience, I'm not even sure I would regard the nuances in its design a good thing. Yes, it says something about it's owner. I'm just not sure it says the right thing.
      - bluebarbet 5mo ago
        Somewhat convincing analysis. But I should add (contrary to the rebuttal my provocative take attracted) that I am in fact very finely tuned to esthetics. As a photographer I'm obsessed with getting everything right (composition, light, texture, color, details) and routinely delete everything that doesn't make the cut. It just seems obvious to me that in consumer products, most of the differences are pretty small in substantive terms. Big economic interests are at stake in amplifying them, and conjuring up demand through marketing, and generally manipulating us.
- solumunus 5mo ago
  Water is water but tap water is not tap water.
- Computer0 5mo ago
  FWIW, I had the same opinion on tap water until I moved to a different area of my region and only after moving and researching did I learn my previous area had some of the highest water quality in my nation. The new area has converted me to filtered water.
- cstrahan 5mo ago
  People vary in their ability to differentiate colors and sounds. I’d be curious how you’d do on a hue test: https://www.xrite.com/hue-test https://www.xrite.com/hue-test For me, each colored square is plainly, obviously different, and it is immediately obvious how they need to be sorted. But I also know people I’ve shown the test to who thought it was a trick - “there’s only 3 or 4 distinct colors, so how am I supposed to sort the same-colored squares?” If one’s perception is particularly lossy, it makes sense that lower fidelity displays and audio will likely be indistinguishable from higher fidelity ones.
  - Narishma 5mo ago
    I'm a bit like the parent poster and I scored 0 on your test. It's not like I can't tell the difference if I see hi- and low-fidelity products next to each other. It's just that I don't care enough to pay the price premium, and I don't mind using low-end equipment. I also feel less apprehension about losing or damaging it.
  - bluebarbet 5mo ago
    That was fun, thanks! I scored a perfect 0 but I admit that I had to stare quite hard. Some of the purple squares were not "plainly, obviously different". But the real issue here is surely simpler. To me, when I buy a screen (or whatever), I know in advance that (A) I will not be comparing it daily with another screen, and (B) it will be - easily - good enough for my purposes. You might say I'm depending on other, more perfectionist, consumers to do the quality control. Fair enough.
- BigTTYGothGF 5mo ago
  > I also don't care about (or even really notice) the taste of tap water Me neither until I moved to west Texas.
  - Firehawke 5mo ago
    Yeah, try the water in most of Arizona, where it's so hard you could cut diamond with it. Only half-joking. You'll get an appreciation for places where you can't really taste what's in the water.
    - onlypassingthru 5mo ago
      It may taste funny but it also slowly turns your shower door into privacy glass so it's not all bad.

by enaaem 5mo ago

fwipsy 5mo ago

I have used both screens recently and I only notice the difference when I'm thinking about it. (Or when there's not enough space to fit everything I want to see.)

bluebarbet 5mo ago

>It is like going from a 2010 LCD to a 2026 OLED screen. Revealing. I'll bet plenty still can't tell the difference (or don't care). I'm one. I've always used low-end laptops, mobiles, clothes, vehicles, anything else you can think of. I care that it functions (so I buy good brands and new) but everything else except price is a very secondary. When I read things like "rich, vivid colors" in a description of a screen, for example, or "clear, deep bass" for some earbuds, my eyes glaze over. Whatever. Does it work and will it last?, is what I want to know. I also don't care about (or even really notice) the taste of tap water. Water is water. All this must be related and I can't be the only one.

reaperducer 5mo ago
You're not the only one. There are millions of people out there who have no appreciation for art, craft, skill, quality, or finesse. They're very base people who go through life seeing only price tags, and tallying worth only in dollar figures. They act like life is a video game and money is the score. It's a shallow life, devoid of the appreciation of all the wonderful things available, and in my estimation, barely living. It's just existing as a robot does. Why spend vacation in Fiji when there are sunsets in Fresno, too?
- thomascountz 5mo ago
  This is needlessly judgmental and draws false equivalences between expression, impression, and consumerism.
  - dml2135 5mo ago
    I do think the mention of consumerism is apt. In my own encounters with those that seem to take pride in their inability to distinguish certain nuances, it does come off as a mental block borne of not wanting to feel like they are missing out on expensive things. I think it cuts both ways though — there are those who will exaggerate or outright fabricate subtle differences in order to justify their expensive purchases, and also those that will deny real differences because they think everyone is just doing the first thing.
    - II2II 5mo ago
      One can also look at distinguishing what is important to what is unimportant to a particular person. Personally, I look towards functionality over aesthetics. That isn't to say that I will completely disregard aesthetics, but I have certainly gone with those black bricks called ThinkPads over MacBooks in the past. You are right about it cutting both ways though. I remember laptop shopping with a colleague in the past. They were trying to replace a barely functional laptop that they purchased because of its "design" with something they could get work done on. Unfortunately, they refused to acknowledge that functionality is an element of design. The whole experience was one of frustration. This calculator appears to fit into a similar category. I'm sure it is a perfectly fine calculator, functionally speaking, if you are performing basic financial calculations. It isn't going to cut it if your working outside of that domain. When you consider that a calculator that is a tenth (or even a hundredth) of the price is going to offer a similar experience, I'm not even sure I would regard the nuances in its design a good thing. Yes, it says something about it's owner. I'm just not sure it says the right thing.
    - bluebarbet 5mo ago
      Somewhat convincing analysis. But I should add (contrary to the rebuttal my provocative take attracted) that I am in fact very finely tuned to esthetics. As a photographer I'm obsessed with getting everything right (composition, light, texture, color, details) and routinely delete everything that doesn't make the cut. It just seems obvious to me that in consumer products, most of the differences are pretty small in substantive terms. Big economic interests are at stake in amplifying them, and conjuring up demand through marketing, and generally manipulating us.
solumunus 5mo ago
Water is water but tap water is not tap water.
Computer0 5mo ago
FWIW, I had the same opinion on tap water until I moved to a different area of my region and only after moving and researching did I learn my previous area had some of the highest water quality in my nation. The new area has converted me to filtered water.
cstrahan 5mo ago
People vary in their ability to differentiate colors and sounds. I’d be curious how you’d do on a hue test: https://www.xrite.com/hue-test https://www.xrite.com/hue-test For me, each colored square is plainly, obviously different, and it is immediately obvious how they need to be sorted. But I also know people I’ve shown the test to who thought it was a trick - “there’s only 3 or 4 distinct colors, so how am I supposed to sort the same-colored squares?” If one’s perception is particularly lossy, it makes sense that lower fidelity displays and audio will likely be indistinguishable from higher fidelity ones.
- Narishma 5mo ago
  I'm a bit like the parent poster and I scored 0 on your test. It's not like I can't tell the difference if I see hi- and low-fidelity products next to each other. It's just that I don't care enough to pay the price premium, and I don't mind using low-end equipment. I also feel less apprehension about losing or damaging it.
- bluebarbet 5mo ago
  That was fun, thanks! I scored a perfect 0 but I admit that I had to stare quite hard. Some of the purple squares were not "plainly, obviously different". But the real issue here is surely simpler. To me, when I buy a screen (or whatever), I know in advance that (A) I will not be comparing it daily with another screen, and (B) it will be - easily - good enough for my purposes. You might say I'm depending on other, more perfectionist, consumers to do the quality control. Fair enough.
BigTTYGothGF 5mo ago
> I also don't care about (or even really notice) the taste of tap water Me neither until I moved to west Texas.
- Firehawke 5mo ago
  Yeah, try the water in most of Arizona, where it's so hard you could cut diamond with it. Only half-joking. You'll get an appreciation for places where you can't really taste what's in the water.
  - onlypassingthru 5mo ago
    It may taste funny but it also slowly turns your shower door into privacy glass so it's not all bad.