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Voting on a country level here is too coarse, this poll is invalid. I live in Vietnam and I can see it's getting colored red already but that's unfair. If you

Voting on a country level here is too coarse, this poll is invalid. I live in Vietnam and I can see it's getting colored red already but that's unfair. If you're in Ho Chi Minh City or Hanoi, then for sure you couldn't safely leave your laptop in a cafe. But if youuuUse the edit icon to pin, add or delete clips.'re in a smaller town then you'll be fine. But doesn't that apply to basically every country? I assume that the majority of people voting here are in one of the big cities and it's coloring the results. But what it really means is that English speakers are clustered in the places where it's not safe, not that the whole country is unsafe. On the other hand, I see Vietnam is currently green for walkable and that's hilarious, it's one of the least walkable countries in the world. Pavements here are places to do business/park motorbikes, not to mention the heat makes it highly uncomfortable. There's a ratio of ~2 motorbikes per person, nobody walks here.

missingcolours 6mo ago
Yeah, same in the US. I would not leave my laptop in a cafe in SF. I would in the Austin suburbs. I might or might not in Chicago depending on the neighborhood and cafe.
powerapple 6mo ago
The page says Starbucks, not a random area, random coffee shop. I think it is a valid test. Starbucks is properly staffs, in reasonably busy area, the shop is enclosed.
- elcritch 6mo ago
  Yeah but still way too granular. There’s 50 US states. Many are very different. It’d be even better if it was city based.
  - kotaKat 6mo ago
    You'll also need to just chop New York into two and split the city off. NYC data skews the rest of the state so hard... (north country anectedote: we leave our doors unlocked and laptops, keys, wallets, and iphones straight up in plain view in parking lots up here in rural nowhere. people are dumb.)
- hulitu 6mo ago
  > The page says Starbucks, not a random area, random coffee shop. Yes but the HN title says "random coffee shop".
- dangus 6mo ago
  Starbucks locations in the US are not limited to areas that are low crime. They are as ubiquitous as McDonald’s if not more so. Mostly I think this website is just a stereotype collector and in that sense is very counterproductive. It’s going to be a bunch of people who want to report their biases.
rootsudo 6mo ago
I would say I’ve had great experience in hcmc and Hanoi shops and left it unattended, matters most which shop but for the majority no issue at all. Leaving it in that cliche highland coffee shop location in D1 by that street, yeah, no. Indonesia too, no issue across Jakarta, Depok, Yogya, Bali, Lombok, etc I’m surprised at Japan, I would thought it be a zero. No issue at any location at all.
ShinyLeftPad 6mo ago
There's many issues with this. - MacBooks are not very attractive theft targets anyway, when properly locked you can only sell them for parts. Wallet or camera or non-Apple laptop would be much more telling. - Except for Japan, most places it depends on specifics. Who is around, where exactly is the branch, time of day/year (in a couple of countries petty theft rises before Lunar New Year when struggling people especially need money), did you leave a whole setup on your table or is it just lonely closed-lid laptop so someone can pretend it's theirs. - "Safe to walk at night" isn't what people usually mean by "walkable". Most of the countries in the top are not "walkable". - This does not account for race and gender. Some white male techbro is probably fine walking alone at night in most places in Thailand, but a woman or an Asian person is another story. The other year multiple people were kidnapped and it caused a big drop in tourism, and a few years earlier double murder of Westerners had some official say the woman should be either ugly or not wear bikini. - China in the top is funny, I'm aware of multiple knife attacks on foreigners (one happened in central Beijing and I was in the city at the time).
- ktallett 6mo ago
  Even in Japan it depends on specifics. Things get stolen there too.
- MrDrMcCoy 6mo ago
  > in a couple of countries petty theft rises before Lunar New Year when struggling people especially need money I'm ignorant. Why does the Lunar New Year increase the need for funds?
  - ShinyLeftPad 6mo ago
    Strong culture of gifting/sending money to family from my understanding.
aix1 6mo ago
> Voting on a country level here is too coarse, this poll is invalid. > I live in Vietnam and I can see it's getting colored red already but that's unfair. Also, it's a tiny sample: eight votes to represent a country of 100 million people.
x86hacker1010 6mo ago
Yah. London I wouldn’t, but some village in the UK countryside sure
- tonyedgecombe 6mo ago
  We had our car broken into in a quiet Oxfordshire village (Bampton) the other day.
ThePowerOfFuet 6mo ago
>But if youuuUse the edit icon to pin, add or delete clips.'re in a smaller town then you'll be fine. Autocorrect, what did they do to hurt you so badly that you needed such revenge?!

missingcolours 6mo ago

Yeah, same in the US. I would not leave my laptop in a cafe in SF. I would in the Austin suburbs. I might or might not in Chicago depending on the neighborhood and cafe.

powerapple 6mo ago

The page says Starbucks, not a random area, random coffee shop. I think it is a valid test. Starbucks is properly staffs, in reasonably busy area, the shop is enclosed.

elcritch 6mo ago
Yeah but still way too granular. There’s 50 US states. Many are very different. It’d be even better if it was city based.
- kotaKat 6mo ago
  You'll also need to just chop New York into two and split the city off. NYC data skews the rest of the state so hard... (north country anectedote: we leave our doors unlocked and laptops, keys, wallets, and iphones straight up in plain view in parking lots up here in rural nowhere. people are dumb.)
hulitu 6mo ago
> The page says Starbucks, not a random area, random coffee shop. Yes but the HN title says "random coffee shop".
dangus 6mo ago
Starbucks locations in the US are not limited to areas that are low crime. They are as ubiquitous as McDonald’s if not more so. Mostly I think this website is just a stereotype collector and in that sense is very counterproductive. It’s going to be a bunch of people who want to report their biases.

rootsudo 6mo ago

I would say I’ve had great experience in hcmc and Hanoi shops and left it unattended, matters most which shop but for the majority no issue at all. Leaving it in that cliche highland coffee shop location in D1 by that street, yeah, no. Indonesia too, no issue across Jakarta, Depok, Yogya, Bali, Lombok, etc I’m surprised at Japan, I would thought it be a zero. No issue at any location at all.

ShinyLeftPad 6mo ago

There's many issues with this. - MacBooks are not very attractive theft targets anyway, when properly locked you can only sell them for parts. Wallet or camera or non-Apple laptop would be much more telling. - Except for Japan, most places it depends on specifics. Who is around, where exactly is the branch, time of day/year (in a couple of countries petty theft rises before Lunar New Year when struggling people especially need money), did you leave a whole setup on your table or is it just lonely closed-lid laptop so someone can pretend it's theirs. - "Safe to walk at night" isn't what people usually mean by "walkable". Most of the countries in the top are not "walkable". - This does not account for race and gender. Some white male techbro is probably fine walking alone at night in most places in Thailand, but a woman or an Asian person is another story. The other year multiple people were kidnapped and it caused a big drop in tourism, and a few years earlier double murder of Westerners had some official say the woman should be either ugly or not wear bikini. - China in the top is funny, I'm aware of multiple knife attacks on foreigners (one happened in central Beijing and I was in the city at the time).

ktallett 6mo ago
Even in Japan it depends on specifics. Things get stolen there too.
MrDrMcCoy 6mo ago
> in a couple of countries petty theft rises before Lunar New Year when struggling people especially need money I'm ignorant. Why does the Lunar New Year increase the need for funds?
- ShinyLeftPad 6mo ago
  Strong culture of gifting/sending money to family from my understanding.

aix1 6mo ago

> Voting on a country level here is too coarse, this poll is invalid. > I live in Vietnam and I can see it's getting colored red already but that's unfair. Also, it's a tiny sample: eight votes to represent a country of 100 million people.

x86hacker1010 6mo ago

Yah. London I wouldn’t, but some village in the UK countryside sure

tonyedgecombe 6mo ago
We had our car broken into in a quiet Oxfordshire village (Bampton) the other day.

ThePowerOfFuet 6mo ago

>But if youuuUse the edit icon to pin, add or delete clips.'re in a smaller town then you'll be fine. Autocorrect, what did they do to hurt you so badly that you needed such revenge?!