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The thing is, eventually these products will be more integrated into business workflows and have access to all the context, so the three paragraph expansion pro
by anon84873628 6mo ago
The thing is, eventually these products will be more integrated into business workflows and have access to all the context, so the three paragraph expansion probably will be a significant improvement upon the original input.
And either that person won't be employed anymore, of the thing they were asking for in the first place will be automated for them.
I've already got my agent building a dossier for everyone we interact with. I haven't started training it on their writing style so I can mirror back to them... yet.
- BlackFly 6mo agoAs these products improve, one person sending the output and not the prompt will remain useless. The prompt captures the intent and level of real consideration of the person sending it, the receiver can augment that with additional information if they want to.
- anon84873628 6mo agoThat's like saying I should just send the English teacher a description of what my essay will be about, instead of actually writing it. It seems like no one responding to this understands scoped context retrieval.
- rurp 6mo agoProfessional communication has a completely different goal than a student essay, and it's weird you conflate the two. A student paper is useless as an artifact, the actual value is for the student to learn how to write the paper. If a coworker sends me a long email for me to read it should provide some actual value.
- anon84873628 6mo agoI'm arguing against people who essentially say that running the LLM is useless; just send the prompt.. Obviously that is true if the person does zero additional value add, but then that person probably sucked as a colleague before LLMs anyway. When you use an LLM agent correctly you are adding value beyond just the prompt, and those three additional paragraphs won't just be extra noise. Especially if the agent is automatically fed your personal context. An essay states a hypothesis and then uses first and second party sources to validate it. I'm not conflating anything, it's just a good abstract example of the type of knowledge synthesis work, which is why we make kids do them. A business strategy proposal is nothing more than a specific type of essay where the research sources are internal research results, market trend analysis, etc. A technical design doc is an essay about the best way to implement a feature. An "executive summary" is just an abstract, and the MBR puts the latest research citations and raw results in bullet points.
- BlackFly 5mo ago> When you use an LLM agent correctly you are adding value beyond just the prompt, and those three additional paragraphs won't just be extra noise. So send me the prompt and the three extra paragraphs that you wrote. The improved LLM will generate the additional context for me if I need it. But heck, maybe I wrote that context myself or have read it many times and don't need it parroted back to me.
- watwut 6mo agoCurrently they are inferior.
- dijksterhuis 6mo ago> I've already got my agent building a dossier for everyone we interact with. I haven't started training it on their writing style so I can mirror back to them... yet. have you asked these people how they feel about this? have you asked them for permission, for their consent to do this with their communications to you? what you’re doing sounds incredibly creepy. like, meta/facebook kinda of creepy. granted, it’s at a more limited scale, but it’s still creepy af dude. fwiw, if i was your colleague and you asked me how i felt about you doing this with me, i’d be seeing about getting HR involved.
- trollbridge 6mo agoWell, implicit in the TOS of things like Gmail, etc. is already permission to do this.
- dijksterhuis 6mo agodoes that make it morally okay to do with your colleagues? like, jfc, these are fucking people were talking about building “dossiers” of. people the person works with where a degree of trust and bonding is necessary. people they probably spend at least a quarter of their waking hours interacting with. and your defence for it is “well, google does it”. the best engineers know what not to build. they don’t build every single thing under the sun because they can. also, don’t you have to explicitly agree to google’s terms for that stuff to use their services?
- drawfloat 6mo agoThat’s not how the real world works. You will be kicked out of the workplace and rightly so.
- anon84873628 6mo agoUm, I absolutely expect my colleagues to update their internal model of me every time we communicate, to a greater or lesser degree depending on how much that communication deviates from their expectations, or how much new information it contains. In fact, that is essentially the purpose of communication. Do you think you are not constantly being "influenced" to do what people want from you? What do think happens during a peer review or promotion decision? What do you think the pile of data in SharePoint / GDrive represents? You think HR will care about someone taking prolific detailed notes at work? I did phrase my comment in a glib way to draw out this type of reaction. But this type of stuff is what "intelligence augmentation" will include, and the corporate panopticon is already alive and well anyway.
- footy 6mo agoThis is a pretty gross privacy violation but it's also just... So depressing.
- anon84873628 6mo agoMy employer already records every scrap of communications, I'm running everything on corporate infrastructure, and they sent the information to me. Giving the AI knowledge of the org chart, who works on what, how they prefer to communicate, what their goals/biases are, is no different than what every ape implicitly collects in their own head.
- coffeefirst 6mo agoOh I know. In the past month I’ve moved several thousand dollars in spending away from companies that turned their support into a useless understaffed AI program. The disease has spread to six figure enterprise contracts hallucinating about their own APIs.