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> Literally the central trigger point of the story The fact that you and other insist on this really gets at the crux of this whole problem. There are two nota

> Literally the central trigger point of the story The fact that you and other insist on this really gets at the crux of this whole problem. There are two notable positions on criminality and punishment: yours, which is broadly that the justice system exists, at least in part, to deliver righteous punishment on the deserving, and the position of those appalled by the treatment here, which is that the purpose of the justice system is primarily to protect people, and then to deliver predictable, proportionate punishment of those found guilty to disincentivize criminal behavior. If you think that torture of someone detained but not found guilty might be justifiable if they're accused of a sufficiently heinous crime then you have an illiberal position that can and will be used to enable abuse of the criminal justice system to inflict extralegal punishment on anyone for any reason.

reddozen 5mo ago
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- commandersaki 5mo ago
  You're getting downvoted to hell, but extraordinary claims deserves extraordinary evidence.
  - customguy 5mo ago
    What claim are you talking about? The claim is that she was denied her rights. What she did beforehand would only be relevant if it could somehow suspend those rights. The argument for that being the case is that she doesn't say, therefore we can assume she did... something... that is sufficient to suspend her rights; without being able to name even an example.
ehnto 5mo ago
I think this is even getting ahead of itself, since the story is writing that you can be treated this way without yet being charged. Not knowing if the author "deserves" it puts you in the shoes of the detainee in either case, since the detention comes before assigning guilt.
Aurornis 5mo ago
That is not my position at all and it’s dishonest to project it upon my writings. I said this is an important detail to the story because it’s literally the central trigger point. For as many details as she’s willing to share, include admissions that could theoretically impact legal proceedings, excluding the core charge from the story raises suspicions about the trustworthiness of the narrator. To be clear I do not support the treatment as reported. However the omission of this one key detail is a calculated omission by the author, where we’re supposed to both believe it’s entirely normal and benign but at the same time it’s also something that must be withheld from this story?
- idle_zealot 5mo ago
  Sorry if it doesn't apply to you. I think that's how a lot of readers would categorize you based on the insistence that the crime was important, and why you were downvoted at the time of writing.

reddozen 5mo ago

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commandersaki 5mo ago
You're getting downvoted to hell, but extraordinary claims deserves extraordinary evidence.
- customguy 5mo ago
  What claim are you talking about? The claim is that she was denied her rights. What she did beforehand would only be relevant if it could somehow suspend those rights. The argument for that being the case is that she doesn't say, therefore we can assume she did... something... that is sufficient to suspend her rights; without being able to name even an example.

ehnto 5mo ago

I think this is even getting ahead of itself, since the story is writing that you can be treated this way without yet being charged. Not knowing if the author "deserves" it puts you in the shoes of the detainee in either case, since the detention comes before assigning guilt.

Aurornis 5mo ago

That is not my position at all and it’s dishonest to project it upon my writings. I said this is an important detail to the story because it’s literally the central trigger point. For as many details as she’s willing to share, include admissions that could theoretically impact legal proceedings, excluding the core charge from the story raises suspicions about the trustworthiness of the narrator. To be clear I do not support the treatment as reported. However the omission of this one key detail is a calculated omission by the author, where we’re supposed to both believe it’s entirely normal and benign but at the same time it’s also something that must be withheld from this story?

idle_zealot 5mo ago
Sorry if it doesn't apply to you. I think that's how a lot of readers would categorize you based on the insistence that the crime was important, and why you were downvoted at the time of writing.