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I mean, i struggle with spelling/wording and ask the LLM to proofread a lot. I often send out the LLM version, but still check if it contains the original thou

I mean, i struggle with spelling/wording and ask the LLM to proofread a lot. I often send out the LLM version, but still check if it contains the original thoughts correctly. It's not a bad way to extend your vocabulary & catch spelling mistakes

stingraycharles 5mo ago
> I often send out the LLM version, but still check if it contains the original thoughts correctly. Please don’t do this. You probably aren’t aware of how bad this can land. It’s not just about containing your original thoughts, it’s about the verbosity, repetitiveness, and absurdity of it all. Grammarly is a much better tool for these kinds of purposes, and it actually guides and teaches you to improve your writing along the way.
- __mharrison__ 5mo ago
  The irony that this response has a very common LLMism...
- adastra22 5mo ago
  Grammarly the honeypot?
  - stingraycharles 5mo ago
    You seem to be referring to something specific I’m not aware of, could you elaborate? A Google search didn’t reveal anything specific other than them using famous author names for expert review.
    - adastra22 5mo ago
      It's the nature of the product itself. It's a key logger software. That's literally what it does -- take every input on your computer and route it to their servers.
      - stingraycharles 5mo ago
        Right, I was just confused by your use of the word honeypot. “keylogger mode” is optional, and to my understanding, you always see a visual indicator in the text area. it doesn’t take every input as far as I know, and security firms don’t consider it a threat. but point taken, it’s not for people with privacy concerns.
        adastra22 5mo ago
        It installs itself as an accessibility tool, which requires special user permissions. With these permissions, it sees literally every keystroke you make (except, in some cases on some OSs, system password prompts). The visual indicator is just their UI. Regarding "honeypot" -- that's also what a honeypot is. They provide a service you want, then collect data. We have to take their word that they're only using this data to train their AI (which, btw, they are upfront about -- they log everything and feed it into their training. it's in their TOS).
        stingraycharles 5mo ago
        Isn’t a honeypot some decoy website / service / whatever that presents itself as legit, and then once you register / interact with it you’re caught in whatever they want to do? Eg FBI putting up fake “buy drugs online” sites and logging your info once you place the (fake) order.
        adastra22 5mo ago
        It is deception, but it doesn't have to be decoy or fraudulent. It could actually provide the service or deliver goods. The point is that the operator isn't running it for the reason they say they are, but rather to gather info or whatever. Specifically in cyber defense a honeypot is sometimes a fake server that serves as an intrusion detection alarm, but that's actually the odd one out when you look at how the term is used more broadly.
- anon84873628 5mo ago
  Verbosity and repetitiveness? Which tools are you using? Tell it that you want a succinct professional email and it will do that. Give it examples of your own writing and it will match that style. If there's something you don't like, tell it to rewrite the part differently. Theses are literally the things language models are best at.
  - stingraycharles 5mo ago
    > Tell it that you want a succinct professional email and it will do that. Give it examples of your own writing and it will match that style. This is not what the parent I replied to indicated, nor what people usually do.
    - anon84873628 5mo ago
      There's no reason to assume that their output is as bad as whatever you have come to expect.
mkl 5mo ago
You don't need a fake extended vocabulary. Just communicate directly and honestly. Underlining spelling errors as you type has been a standard feature of email software for nearly three decades.
- pinkgolem 5mo ago
  Nah man, it has been career limiting before and I have gotten bad feedback for it my whole life... I keep the LLM close to the original text content wise, but feedback was/is fantastic
unD 5mo ago
I'm pretty sure most non-native speakers (one here) do the same. I'm not talking about three-paragraph-long Slack thread, but even a single message where I feel otherwise unable to convey what I need _the way_ I want.
teeray 5mo ago
> I often send out the LLM version The problem is that you lose your voice and adopt one that your audience knows all too well (and knows it isn’t yours). It makes your audience feel like you aren’t listening to them (even though you are!), because they feel like they’re talking to an LLM.

stingraycharles 5mo ago

> I often send out the LLM version, but still check if it contains the original thoughts correctly. Please don’t do this. You probably aren’t aware of how bad this can land. It’s not just about containing your original thoughts, it’s about the verbosity, repetitiveness, and absurdity of it all. Grammarly is a much better tool for these kinds of purposes, and it actually guides and teaches you to improve your writing along the way.

__mharrison__ 5mo ago
The irony that this response has a very common LLMism...
adastra22 5mo ago
Grammarly the honeypot?
- stingraycharles 5mo ago
  You seem to be referring to something specific I’m not aware of, could you elaborate? A Google search didn’t reveal anything specific other than them using famous author names for expert review.
  - adastra22 5mo ago
    It's the nature of the product itself. It's a key logger software. That's literally what it does -- take every input on your computer and route it to their servers.
    - stingraycharles 5mo ago
      Right, I was just confused by your use of the word honeypot. “keylogger mode” is optional, and to my understanding, you always see a visual indicator in the text area. it doesn’t take every input as far as I know, and security firms don’t consider it a threat. but point taken, it’s not for people with privacy concerns.
      - adastra22 5mo ago
        It installs itself as an accessibility tool, which requires special user permissions. With these permissions, it sees literally every keystroke you make (except, in some cases on some OSs, system password prompts). The visual indicator is just their UI. Regarding "honeypot" -- that's also what a honeypot is. They provide a service you want, then collect data. We have to take their word that they're only using this data to train their AI (which, btw, they are upfront about -- they log everything and feed it into their training. it's in their TOS).
        stingraycharles 5mo ago
        Isn’t a honeypot some decoy website / service / whatever that presents itself as legit, and then once you register / interact with it you’re caught in whatever they want to do? Eg FBI putting up fake “buy drugs online” sites and logging your info once you place the (fake) order.
        adastra22 5mo ago
        It is deception, but it doesn't have to be decoy or fraudulent. It could actually provide the service or deliver goods. The point is that the operator isn't running it for the reason they say they are, but rather to gather info or whatever. Specifically in cyber defense a honeypot is sometimes a fake server that serves as an intrusion detection alarm, but that's actually the odd one out when you look at how the term is used more broadly.
anon84873628 5mo ago
Verbosity and repetitiveness? Which tools are you using? Tell it that you want a succinct professional email and it will do that. Give it examples of your own writing and it will match that style. If there's something you don't like, tell it to rewrite the part differently. Theses are literally the things language models are best at.
- stingraycharles 5mo ago
  > Tell it that you want a succinct professional email and it will do that. Give it examples of your own writing and it will match that style. This is not what the parent I replied to indicated, nor what people usually do.
  - anon84873628 5mo ago
    There's no reason to assume that their output is as bad as whatever you have come to expect.

mkl 5mo ago

You don't need a fake extended vocabulary. Just communicate directly and honestly. Underlining spelling errors as you type has been a standard feature of email software for nearly three decades.

pinkgolem 5mo ago
Nah man, it has been career limiting before and I have gotten bad feedback for it my whole life... I keep the LLM close to the original text content wise, but feedback was/is fantastic

unD 5mo ago

I'm pretty sure most non-native speakers (one here) do the same. I'm not talking about three-paragraph-long Slack thread, but even a single message where I feel otherwise unable to convey what I need _the way_ I want.

teeray 5mo ago

> I often send out the LLM version The problem is that you lose your voice and adopt one that your audience knows all too well (and knows it isn’t yours). It makes your audience feel like you aren’t listening to them (even though you are!), because they feel like they’re talking to an LLM.