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The virtues you mention are not a consequence of the tortuous treatment described in the post though. Conditions could rise to Western humane standards and the
by EMIRELADERO 5mo ago
The virtues you mention are not a consequence of the tortuous treatment described in the post though. Conditions could rise to Western humane standards and the underlying Japanese culture that allows for such peaceful living would still remain.
- cjbgkagh 5mo agoI don’t know what is humane about skid row et al.
- EMIRELADERO 5mo agoDirect torture is certainly less humane than abandonment.
- cjbgkagh 5mo agoSkid row isn’t abandonment, CA spends $47K per homeless person per year in direct and indirect assistance. It exists as it does due to intentional and well funded policy.
- EMIRELADERO 5mo agoEven granting that (which... no. How is it true? Any evidence?) it's still less inhumane than what Japan is doing here. The conditions amount to torture. The fact that many people opt to falsely plead guilty and get a reduced punishment in a society that highly values honor and saving face should say a lot about it.
- cjbgkagh 5mo agoCalifornian spend on homelessness is public info, you’re free to search it yourself. There is something about seeing drug addicted zombies impossibly contorted in on themselves and swaying in the wind that appears very inhuman to me. If given the choice, pre zombification, of a false confession or life as a zombie I know which I would chose.
- EMIRELADERO 5mo agoThat's a false binary. European nations manage without either of them for example.
- cjbgkagh 5mo agoI think it is that the US is merely ahead of Europe and Europe will catch up to the US in this regard. Just give it 20 to 30 years.
- EMIRELADERO 5mo agoWhy do you believe mantaining an acceptable level of peacefulness requires torture?
- cjbgkagh 5mo agoI don’t accept your premise that the Japanese system is torture.
- EMIRELADERO 5mo agoExtreme control of movement and sleep including deprivation of it for arbitrary amounts, constant lighting, no outside time, nothing to do for months at a time, lack of nutritious food, all those things in combination constitue torture under most modern definitions.
- hackyhacky 5mo agoYou can't take the Japanese criminal justice system out of Japan. It's part of a larger whole. The Western mentality, especially in the USA, focuses on independent will. The government is not supposed to stop people from making choices that are bad for society or bad for themselves. In Japan, the mentality is that every person has an obligation to work with society and to fit in at all costs. The Japanese criminal justice system exemplifies that spirit, but it touches all areas, such as employment, personal relationships, behavior in public, talking to strangers, etc. In short, if you want to have the advantages of Japan, you need to take it with the disadvantages as well.
- EMIRELADERO 5mo agoCould you tell me how actual torture helps that system, and why exactly you can't take it away without disrupting the harmony? It is definitely possible to hold people in detention without torturing them while also getting acceptable results.