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Domestic abusers rejoice. Just hide the victim's ID and they won't get a phone.

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trollbridge 5mo ago
My state has laws specifically about this which help DV victims replace stolen wallets, birth certificates, IDs, and so on. Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. The public has, in general, decided they don't like the alternatives, and I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls versus the hypothetical ability to go get a phone without ID.
- nullc 5mo ago
  > I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls False choice. It's quite possible that this will not substantially reduce much less eliminate the junk calls. It will substantially reduce my ability to obtain an anonymized number that no one knows about and has any reason to junk call. I don't get any junk calls on my anonymous numbers, if if I did, I'd toss that number and get another and the junk could not follow it unless whomever I was using the number with was the source of the leak and then I'd stop doing business with them in the future. Past privacy violations are what are driving the scam calls, making their be a mandatory loss of privacy at the moment you get the number will not help.
- tomrod 5mo ago
  > Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. Why?
  - simoncion 5mo ago
    Yeah. This USian has reliable access to the following without presenting ID * Telephone service * Internet service * A rental apartment to live in and relevant utilities * Food * Clothing * Entertainment * Medical care * A bank account It has been so long that I can no longer clearly remember, but I think that I didn't have to present ID to get my job and get paid. Maybe things are way worse over in Euroland? Or maybe US-based authoritarians have successfully used the threat of imaginary "Stranger Danger" to turn the screws tighter for access to some of those things over the past ten, twenty years? I know it's not medical care, internet access, food, clothing, or entertainment because I've changed providers for those fairly recently.
    - jen20 5mo ago
      How did you rent an apartment without ID? Every time I’ve done that they wanted an SSN, a credit check, and the pledge that your first born would be named after whatever dipshit was in the office that day. You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either: KYC is a thing. Finally, you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID.
      - rkomorn 5mo ago
        I'm pretty sure I've had to show ID going to the doctor's office as well.
      - iamnothere 5mo ago
        Maybe rent from individuals instead of corporate landlords. There’s no law against it.
      - simoncion 5mo ago
        > You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either. And yet, I have multiple accounts. Go figure. > How did you rent an apartment without ID? I dunno. The paperwork was done like a bit more than fifteen years ago. But I've only been asked for my ID for apartment-related things once and that was to tour a place in a shitty, shitty apartment complex more than... twenty years ago. > ...you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID. I'm pretty sure that all I've ever been asked for is name and SSN. Again, maybe this stuff is new as of the past ten, twenty years. Strong, strong anti-immigrant sentiment has a way of gripping people's hearts and making them do stupid shit.
        trollbridge 5mo ago
        The I-9 requires more than that. If all you show is your SSN you have to produce another document like a driver licence. That doesn't mean your past employers were in full compliance, nor that they will ever get caught.
        jen20 5mo ago
- iamnothere 5mo ago
  > I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls versus the hypothetical ability to go get a phone without ID. And I would count you among the people who shouldn’t have a say in how these laws affect our right to privacy.
- tzs 5mo ago
  > Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. Not in the US. See this thread [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911619 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911619

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My state has laws specifically about this which help DV victims replace stolen wallets, birth certificates, IDs, and so on. Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. The public has, in general, decided they don't like the alternatives, and I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls versus the hypothetical ability to go get a phone without ID.

nullc 5mo ago
> I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls False choice. It's quite possible that this will not substantially reduce much less eliminate the junk calls. It will substantially reduce my ability to obtain an anonymized number that no one knows about and has any reason to junk call. I don't get any junk calls on my anonymous numbers, if if I did, I'd toss that number and get another and the junk could not follow it unless whomever I was using the number with was the source of the leak and then I'd stop doing business with them in the future. Past privacy violations are what are driving the scam calls, making their be a mandatory loss of privacy at the moment you get the number will not help.
tomrod 5mo ago
> Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. Why?
- simoncion 5mo ago
  Yeah. This USian has reliable access to the following without presenting ID * Telephone service * Internet service * A rental apartment to live in and relevant utilities * Food * Clothing * Entertainment * Medical care * A bank account It has been so long that I can no longer clearly remember, but I think that I didn't have to present ID to get my job and get paid. Maybe things are way worse over in Euroland? Or maybe US-based authoritarians have successfully used the threat of imaginary "Stranger Danger" to turn the screws tighter for access to some of those things over the past ten, twenty years? I know it's not medical care, internet access, food, clothing, or entertainment because I've changed providers for those fairly recently.
  - jen20 5mo ago
    How did you rent an apartment without ID? Every time I’ve done that they wanted an SSN, a credit check, and the pledge that your first born would be named after whatever dipshit was in the office that day. You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either: KYC is a thing. Finally, you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID.
    - rkomorn 5mo ago
      I'm pretty sure I've had to show ID going to the doctor's office as well.
    - iamnothere 5mo ago
      Maybe rent from individuals instead of corporate landlords. There’s no law against it.
    - simoncion 5mo ago
      > You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either. And yet, I have multiple accounts. Go figure. > How did you rent an apartment without ID? I dunno. The paperwork was done like a bit more than fifteen years ago. But I've only been asked for my ID for apartment-related things once and that was to tour a place in a shitty, shitty apartment complex more than... twenty years ago. > ...you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID. I'm pretty sure that all I've ever been asked for is name and SSN. Again, maybe this stuff is new as of the past ten, twenty years. Strong, strong anti-immigrant sentiment has a way of gripping people's hearts and making them do stupid shit.
      - trollbridge 5mo ago
        The I-9 requires more than that. If all you show is your SSN you have to produce another document like a driver licence. That doesn't mean your past employers were in full compliance, nor that they will ever get caught.
      - jen20 5mo ago
iamnothere 5mo ago
> I would count myself among those who would prefer to have working phone service again without endless junk calls versus the hypothetical ability to go get a phone without ID. And I would count you among the people who shouldn’t have a say in how these laws affect our right to privacy.
tzs 5mo ago
> Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. Not in the US. See this thread [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911619 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911619