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I am French but travelled extensively to Poalnd and lived there for some time. This is a truly wonderful country. The one thing that is a insurmontable barrier

I am French but travelled extensively to Poalnd and lived there for some time. This is a truly wonderful country. The one thing that is a insurmontable barrier to go and live there (I considered that) is the healthcare sstem. It is completely broken. You have free healthcare where people behave like beggars in front of the demi-god MD. They do not pay him for hs work, officially, but there is money slipped under he table to make things work. It is unbereable. Then you have provate health care whichis not not bad, until you have a serious problem and you are back to the public system. Finally the medicines/drugs are not refunded. You have to pay for them. This is wild for someone coming from France. I think that if Poland upgraded that part of its politics it would be a country bringing in lots and lots of people useful for the country.

cromka 5mo ago
> but there is money slipped under he table to make things work. Corruption like this is almost non-existent anymore. Was very much the case 10 years ago and earlier. Docs make serious money now, they don't need to risk it with bribery. > Finally the medicines/drugs are not refunded. You have to pay for them. This is wild for someone coming from France. Sorry, WHAT? This was never the case, where are you getting this from?
- BrandoElFollito 5mo ago
  > Corruption like this is almost non-existent anymore. Was very much the case 10 years ago and earlier. Docs make serious money now, they don't need to risk it with bribery. Go to a hospital where you need to be operated. Look at the queues to see the ordynator and how people behave and talk among each other how much to give. have you been to a hospital recently? I have, I visited the parents of a freind and actually witnessed this, not from a theoretical parespective but in real life. Ask around. >> Finally the medicines/drugs are not refunded. You have to pay for them. This is wild for someone coming from France. > Sorry, WHAT? This was never the case, where are you getting this from? Do you actually live in Poland?? OK, let's try this. When you are sick and you get a recept for medicaments, do you pay for them, or are they free? You have to pay. Do you get a reimbursement? Maybe 50% if you hit the right drug. You have to buy diapers for adults for a person who is handicapped. Are they free? No they are not. You pay for them, a part is subsudised. To 80% of a limit set (not the actual price) except if you apply fro special extra stiff such a PFRON. You have MS. Do you have access to modern medicamentation by default? No you don't - after 40 yo you get into a less efficient track. Please do your homework before discussing. There are people who actually know this becaise they were actually direcly involved. As a constrast, and something which is a baseline for civilized medicine -- my wife has MS and it costs us a few EUR per month (you pay 1 € per visit to the doctor and about 0.5 € per pack of medicine, up to 50 € per year total). This includes all the doctor visits, tomography, rehabilitation, ... I would say that my whole family pays 20 € a year total for everything medical. Like I said, I have a particular fondness for Poland which is a marvellous country. This does not mean that one should not point out the things that should change.
  - cromka 5mo ago
    > you have to pay. Do you get a reimbursement? Maybe 50% if you hit the right drug. Again, that's bullshit: https://www.gov.pl/web/zdrowie/od-czego-zalezy-cena-leku-refundowanego https://www.gov.pl/web/zdrowie/od-czego-zalezy-cena-leku-ref... There's over 2800 free drugs right now. Over 3800 for seniors. > Please do your homework before discussing. The fucking irony of this. EOT here. I am not gonna exercise your anecdotal stereotypes. For the record, I did hear about bribes even recently. It's still a very uncommon thing.
    - BrandoElFollito 5mo ago
      Sure, I was about to ask three of my friends to pop out the costs of their healthcare (including the one who has MS) but you seem to actually appreciate the system. Good for you -- I hope you never actually fall ill and really witness the system (short of just "hearing about it") I am genuinely curious how much time over the last year you spent in a hospital in Poland, in hours. I travelled to Poland several times to help my friends there and spent weeks out of my time off, so if you fucking have no idea -- please do not bring it to the table, ok? At some point there is some decency you need to have when you "have heard about things", as oppoed to have actually lived though it. I will leave you with this - if you can read in Polish: https://direct.money.pl/artykuly/porady/smutna-rzeczywistosc-polskich-seniorow-emeryci-traca-na-to-setki-zlotych https://direct.money.pl/artykuly/porady/smutna-rzeczywistosc... Have a nice day.

cromka 5mo ago

> but there is money slipped under he table to make things work. Corruption like this is almost non-existent anymore. Was very much the case 10 years ago and earlier. Docs make serious money now, they don't need to risk it with bribery. > Finally the medicines/drugs are not refunded. You have to pay for them. This is wild for someone coming from France. Sorry, WHAT? This was never the case, where are you getting this from?

BrandoElFollito 5mo ago
> Corruption like this is almost non-existent anymore. Was very much the case 10 years ago and earlier. Docs make serious money now, they don't need to risk it with bribery. Go to a hospital where you need to be operated. Look at the queues to see the ordynator and how people behave and talk among each other how much to give. have you been to a hospital recently? I have, I visited the parents of a freind and actually witnessed this, not from a theoretical parespective but in real life. Ask around. >> Finally the medicines/drugs are not refunded. You have to pay for them. This is wild for someone coming from France. > Sorry, WHAT? This was never the case, where are you getting this from? Do you actually live in Poland?? OK, let's try this. When you are sick and you get a recept for medicaments, do you pay for them, or are they free? You have to pay. Do you get a reimbursement? Maybe 50% if you hit the right drug. You have to buy diapers for adults for a person who is handicapped. Are they free? No they are not. You pay for them, a part is subsudised. To 80% of a limit set (not the actual price) except if you apply fro special extra stiff such a PFRON. You have MS. Do you have access to modern medicamentation by default? No you don't - after 40 yo you get into a less efficient track. Please do your homework before discussing. There are people who actually know this becaise they were actually direcly involved. As a constrast, and something which is a baseline for civilized medicine -- my wife has MS and it costs us a few EUR per month (you pay 1 € per visit to the doctor and about 0.5 € per pack of medicine, up to 50 € per year total). This includes all the doctor visits, tomography, rehabilitation, ... I would say that my whole family pays 20 € a year total for everything medical. Like I said, I have a particular fondness for Poland which is a marvellous country. This does not mean that one should not point out the things that should change.
- cromka 5mo ago
  > you have to pay. Do you get a reimbursement? Maybe 50% if you hit the right drug. Again, that's bullshit: https://www.gov.pl/web/zdrowie/od-czego-zalezy-cena-leku-refundowanego https://www.gov.pl/web/zdrowie/od-czego-zalezy-cena-leku-ref... There's over 2800 free drugs right now. Over 3800 for seniors. > Please do your homework before discussing. The fucking irony of this. EOT here. I am not gonna exercise your anecdotal stereotypes. For the record, I did hear about bribes even recently. It's still a very uncommon thing.
  - BrandoElFollito 5mo ago
    Sure, I was about to ask three of my friends to pop out the costs of their healthcare (including the one who has MS) but you seem to actually appreciate the system. Good for you -- I hope you never actually fall ill and really witness the system (short of just "hearing about it") I am genuinely curious how much time over the last year you spent in a hospital in Poland, in hours. I travelled to Poland several times to help my friends there and spent weeks out of my time off, so if you fucking have no idea -- please do not bring it to the table, ok? At some point there is some decency you need to have when you "have heard about things", as oppoed to have actually lived though it. I will leave you with this - if you can read in Polish: https://direct.money.pl/artykuly/porady/smutna-rzeczywistosc-polskich-seniorow-emeryci-traca-na-to-setki-zlotych https://direct.money.pl/artykuly/porady/smutna-rzeczywistosc... Have a nice day.