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It's because it's not about the opinion of voters, but about existing political powers that want to retain their power. No matter what you (as population) say
by rvnx 5mo ago
It's because it's not about the opinion of voters, but about existing political powers that want to retain their power.
No matter what you (as population) say it will get implemented. If you don't, then they will put sanctions on Poland, withdraw financial partnerships, etc. Like with migrants, they are going to be sent there, even if Polish people vote against.
No matter if you are in favor or against, raising the topic will just make you socially be isolated or even legally punished in some places.
Sad for democracy and free speech.
EDIT: clarified about migrant policy and the decision of countries to choose or not
- ghssds 5mo ago[flagged]
- rvnx 5mo agoI just don’t like criminals, no matter where they come from, it’s quite ok but yes selecting immigration is a socially slippery topic
- cybercatgurrl 5mo agomy personal opinion is it’s an all or nothing thing for immigration. you either reduce entirely for all groups or it’s racism and unfair treatment. everyone deserves an equal chance
- rvnx 5mo agoThere's something in-between that could work: allow everyone, kick criminals permanently, and give a path to permanent residence to others, or something like that. Seems moderate.
- joe_mamba 5mo ago>you either reduce entirely for all groups or it’s racism and unfair treatment. Racism would be restricting immigration over skin color. What people want, and a lot of countries have, is immigration based on merit system: education, skill, income, criminal record. There's nothing racist about that.
- refurb 5mo agoI didn’t see race mentioned in the comment?
- _njyk 5mo agoI just made it softer (though I never mentioned race but economic migration), still can be too sensitive so let it be, just my opinion (I am in Eastern Europe and there the views are rather harsh, compared to Germany or France or Sweden)
- antiford2049 5mo agoYou havent said anything wrong about immigration. People who misunderstood you are racist themselves as they have dismissed cultural issues of your country and tried to impose their own views. So dont listen to them, they are just ignorant at best.
- joe_mamba 5mo ago>Your racist drivel is offtopic here. @dang, how about the HN rules here?
- rcbdev 5mo agoWhat exactly is your issue? Please enlighten us on what qualifies YOU specifically to tell the veracity of any claim on Polish interior politics.
- leonidasrup 5mo agoPoland and other nations should be carefull with handling of imigration, as history shows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_expulsion_of_Polish_Jews_from_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_expulsion_of_Polish_Jews_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_of_Jews_from_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_of_Jews_from_Nazi_G...
- antiford2049 5mo agoI think you are confusing democracy with anarchy. There is tons of free speech in Europe, and it is the most democratic of all countries that are alternative. UK is still very democratic country. The generation of politicians from zero rate era had gotten carried away on certain topics (defence, immigration) and now we have to deal with this. they also have undermined public trust by acting the way they did in covid, to an extent that any new pandemic is likely to be way worse just because no body will trust the government again for a long time. But there is a problem with kids today having pretty easy access to all kinds of nasty shit on internet, and it isnt like it was in 90s and 00s. 10 year olds on social media is fucked. I dont really care for blocking internet on anything, yet it does appear that simple age verification is necessary for access to certain services. most people are just super mad that they wont be able to watch porn or their favourite show thats on netflix or whatever. BUt thats not what the article was about. Read a little bit. Comparing EU to fucking Russia is insane here.