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But someone has to answer. Saying "I really don't care what happens to them" is just such a lazy way out of this conversation. The whole problem is that we have

But someone has to answer. Saying "I really don't care what happens to them" is just such a lazy way out of this conversation. The whole problem is that we have to decide as a society what to do with them. You suggested work programs - great! Now give some examples of work programs you would put 12 years old in. If you can't or won't, then you have no more solution to this than someone who thinks having an idea equals having a business - it's precisely the execution that matters.

chr1 5mo ago
For instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_service. 12 year old would be pretty fine to spend 4-5 hours a day cleaning streets for a while. Btw. I am not advocating for work programs as a particularly good solution, expelling and letting the parents to figure out what to do with their misbehaving child is a good solution too. School is a privilege for smart children to study, not a prison for those who do not want to learn.
- gambiting 5mo ago
  >> School is a privilege for smart children to study, not a prison for those who do not want to learn. It's actually neither of those things, because we discovered hundreds of years ago that having an educated population is good for everyone. No, it's not a prison, but it's not a privilege either - you have to be in school until certain age. Work is not substitute for education.
  - dotancohen 5mo ago
    Have an educated population does not mean that every last uncivilized brat needs to participate. Especially if he is distracting other people from acquiring an education.
    - gambiting 5mo ago
      ...how do you think we got to the literacy rates we have now? And schools have been able to deal with "brats" for over a century without kicking them out of school.
  - chr1 5mo ago
    Being in school does not make one educated. Keeping disruptive child in the same room with normal children, means we get fewer educated people, not more.
    - gambiting 5mo ago
      Which is exactly why I advocate for not keeping them in the same classroom as other kids.
      - dotancohen 5mo ago
        Most bullying happens outside the classroom.
        gambiting 5mo ago
        I mean, we can repeat facts at each other, or we can carry on with the conversation in some more specific direction if you wish?

chr1 5mo ago

For instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_service. 12 year old would be pretty fine to spend 4-5 hours a day cleaning streets for a while. Btw. I am not advocating for work programs as a particularly good solution, expelling and letting the parents to figure out what to do with their misbehaving child is a good solution too. School is a privilege for smart children to study, not a prison for those who do not want to learn.

gambiting 5mo ago
>> School is a privilege for smart children to study, not a prison for those who do not want to learn. It's actually neither of those things, because we discovered hundreds of years ago that having an educated population is good for everyone. No, it's not a prison, but it's not a privilege either - you have to be in school until certain age. Work is not substitute for education.
- dotancohen 5mo ago
  Have an educated population does not mean that every last uncivilized brat needs to participate. Especially if he is distracting other people from acquiring an education.
  - gambiting 5mo ago
    ...how do you think we got to the literacy rates we have now? And schools have been able to deal with "brats" for over a century without kicking them out of school.
- chr1 5mo ago
  Being in school does not make one educated. Keeping disruptive child in the same room with normal children, means we get fewer educated people, not more.
  - gambiting 5mo ago
    Which is exactly why I advocate for not keeping them in the same classroom as other kids.
    - dotancohen 5mo ago
      Most bullying happens outside the classroom.
      - gambiting 5mo ago
        I mean, we can repeat facts at each other, or we can carry on with the conversation in some more specific direction if you wish?