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As used here "UFO-crazy" wasn't a supposition, it was a constraint. "UFO-crazy uncles" are known to exist. This is not an extraordinary claim. The existence of

As used here "UFO-crazy" wasn't a supposition, it was a constraint. "UFO-crazy uncles" are known to exist. This is not an extraordinary claim. The existence of such uncles provides no evidence for or against extraterrestrial visitors or other aerial phenomena.

keepamovin 5mo ago
In context seemed more like a smear for any who don't dismiss as unremarkable. But I'm glad you took it as the narrow case, tho - do they really "exist", or might they have just been right all along? Lol
- marshray 5mo ago
  Being "crazy" and later turning ought to be "right" are not exclusive. One can be right for bad reasons.
  - keepamovin 5mo ago
    OK - this needs some good examples :)
    - mrandish 5mo ago
      Justified, true beliefs: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-analysis/#KnowJustTrueBeli https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-analysis/#KnowJ...
    - marshray 5mo ago
      People who believe in "chemtrails" are (in my un-scientific survey) pretty likely to be conspiracy enthusiasts ("cranks", "crazy", etc.). But they're not wrong that the stuff coming out of the back of jet aircraft is changing the climate. Small, localized weather engineering programs have long been real (cloud seeding), and planetary-scale climate engineering projects are now openly discussed by governments. E.g. https://www.epa.gov/geoengineering/about-geoengineering https://www.epa.gov/geoengineering/about-geoengineering "Types of solar geoengineering techniques include: Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI) – adding small reflective particles to the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) to reflect incoming sunlight. Sulfur dioxide (SO2), one of the types of chemicals considered for SAI, can chemically react in the stratosphere to form reflective sulfate aerosols."
      - XorNot 5mo ago
        Except "stuff" isn't coming out of the back of aircraft: they're talking about aircraft contrails which is just condensed water vapor from wingtip turbulence. The people who claim they're monitoring chemtrails aren't even watching aircraft which are deliberately dispensing payloads, because it just isn't that common in the first place (unless you go out and watch crop dusting, but then you can also just see the guy land, get out, and talk about it).
        shwaj 5mo ago
        I thought they’re primarily water vapor resulting from the combustion reaction, not from wing tip turbulence.
    - hakrgrl 5mo ago
      Galileo's heliocentric model Hand washing prevents illness COVID came from a lab, not a wet market Hunter Biden laptop was real And then a counter example of something broadly accepted but untrue. The humoral theory and blood letting, practiced for thousands of years. This is what killed George Washington.
      - marshray 5mo ago
        > Galileo's heliocentric model Copernicus, but "close enough". Yep. The planets do not, in fact, revolve around the Sun. They revolve around the solar system center of mass (barycenter). This is an error of about 0.25 degree viewed from Earth which was significant at the time. > Hand washing prevents illness Did the person who we credit for hand washing advocate for it because he was "crazy", or because he had a well-founded theory? > COVID came from a lab, not a wet market The lab-leak theory has not held up to scrutiny. It is considered refuted. Though IMO the initial backlash was excessive. > Hunter Biden laptop was real No one outside of politics said the laptop "wasn't real", many emails were cryptographically authenticated very early on. There was a great deal of concern by experts that a coordinated disinfo op was being played into the election. It was, though probably not with the involvement of foreign actors this time. Nothing about that laptop ended up being relevant to the Presidential candidate actually running for election. > And then a counter example of something broadly accepted but untrue. The humoral theory and blood letting, practiced for thousands of years. This is what killed George Washington. We're talking about examples of things a "crazy uncle" might believe that turned out to be true. These are just abandoned pre-scientific medical theories and treatments.
- jibal 5mo ago
  > In context seemed more like a smear Not to anyone who is intellectually honest.
  - keepamovin 5mo ago
    I reject the frame. Intellectual honesty remains open. Prejudging as crazy what merely differs is a lying smear.
darepublic 5mo ago
The existence of UFO crazy uncle's does from a probability sense have some bearing on whether we have any true extraterrestrial evidence.

keepamovin 5mo ago

In context seemed more like a smear for any who don't dismiss as unremarkable. But I'm glad you took it as the narrow case, tho - do they really "exist", or might they have just been right all along? Lol

marshray 5mo ago
Being "crazy" and later turning ought to be "right" are not exclusive. One can be right for bad reasons.
- keepamovin 5mo ago
  OK - this needs some good examples :)
  - mrandish 5mo ago
    Justified, true beliefs: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-analysis/#KnowJustTrueBeli https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-analysis/#KnowJ...
  - marshray 5mo ago
    People who believe in "chemtrails" are (in my un-scientific survey) pretty likely to be conspiracy enthusiasts ("cranks", "crazy", etc.). But they're not wrong that the stuff coming out of the back of jet aircraft is changing the climate. Small, localized weather engineering programs have long been real (cloud seeding), and planetary-scale climate engineering projects are now openly discussed by governments. E.g. https://www.epa.gov/geoengineering/about-geoengineering https://www.epa.gov/geoengineering/about-geoengineering "Types of solar geoengineering techniques include: Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI) – adding small reflective particles to the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) to reflect incoming sunlight. Sulfur dioxide (SO2), one of the types of chemicals considered for SAI, can chemically react in the stratosphere to form reflective sulfate aerosols."
    - XorNot 5mo ago
      Except "stuff" isn't coming out of the back of aircraft: they're talking about aircraft contrails which is just condensed water vapor from wingtip turbulence. The people who claim they're monitoring chemtrails aren't even watching aircraft which are deliberately dispensing payloads, because it just isn't that common in the first place (unless you go out and watch crop dusting, but then you can also just see the guy land, get out, and talk about it).
      - shwaj 5mo ago
        I thought they’re primarily water vapor resulting from the combustion reaction, not from wing tip turbulence.
  - hakrgrl 5mo ago
    Galileo's heliocentric model Hand washing prevents illness COVID came from a lab, not a wet market Hunter Biden laptop was real And then a counter example of something broadly accepted but untrue. The humoral theory and blood letting, practiced for thousands of years. This is what killed George Washington.
    - marshray 5mo ago
      > Galileo's heliocentric model Copernicus, but "close enough". Yep. The planets do not, in fact, revolve around the Sun. They revolve around the solar system center of mass (barycenter). This is an error of about 0.25 degree viewed from Earth which was significant at the time. > Hand washing prevents illness Did the person who we credit for hand washing advocate for it because he was "crazy", or because he had a well-founded theory? > COVID came from a lab, not a wet market The lab-leak theory has not held up to scrutiny. It is considered refuted. Though IMO the initial backlash was excessive. > Hunter Biden laptop was real No one outside of politics said the laptop "wasn't real", many emails were cryptographically authenticated very early on. There was a great deal of concern by experts that a coordinated disinfo op was being played into the election. It was, though probably not with the involvement of foreign actors this time. Nothing about that laptop ended up being relevant to the Presidential candidate actually running for election. > And then a counter example of something broadly accepted but untrue. The humoral theory and blood letting, practiced for thousands of years. This is what killed George Washington. We're talking about examples of things a "crazy uncle" might believe that turned out to be true. These are just abandoned pre-scientific medical theories and treatments.
jibal 5mo ago
> In context seemed more like a smear Not to anyone who is intellectually honest.
- keepamovin 5mo ago
  I reject the frame. Intellectual honesty remains open. Prejudging as crazy what merely differs is a lying smear.

darepublic 5mo ago

The existence of UFO crazy uncle's does from a probability sense have some bearing on whether we have any true extraterrestrial evidence.