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So accept the terms?

m463 6mo ago
accept all cookies. Yesss! download the app! I would love to hear about your new feature. Yes, I'd love to ask your new AI assistant <weird-unique-name> for help! > I never paid for Apple’s iCloud service so I am a little surprised that not only were my pictures uploaded, the local copy was deleted. no worries, apple can do what microsoft did.
- colesantiago 6mo ago
  Why are you being weird? > I never paid for Apple’s iCloud service so I am a little surprised that not only were my pictures uploaded... Yes? Apple’s iCloud service provides 5GB for free?
  - justinclift 6mo ago
    > Apple’s iCloud service provides 5GB for free? That seems a lot like: "You're going to be using our service, whether you like it or not!" Pretty uncool?
    - colesantiago 6mo ago
      So it is uncool that Apple provides a service for backing up your photos even if they are providing 5GB for free. Got it. Let's hope that your phone won't be part of the 70 million smartphones that get lost each year and your photos aren't backed up.
      - beams_of_light 6mo ago
        I strongly prefer not to have my personal data stored on other people’s computers.
        colesantiago 6mo ago
        Get a camera then? How does a normal person get the same service as iCloud for their personal device while syncing _all_ their photos, app data to it?
        m463 6mo ago
        apple doesn't allow for that. They support their own solution, suppress what they don't like (music syncing) and actively interfere with other solutions, even some they wrote long ago. non-icloud reminds me of the jackling house > In 1984 Steve Jobs purchased the Jackling House and estate, and resided there for a decade. After that, he leased it out for several years until 2000 when he stopped maintaining the house, allowing exposure to the weather to degrade it. You can do some of it with image capture/files to read raw DCIM stuff, carddav/caldav, but that stuff may or may not work.
        beams_of_light 5mo ago
        I have a camera, on my phone. I just want to be able to sync my pictures and videos to my own device, not cloud storage. This is becoming especially prudent in these times of nearly monthly major breaches exposing personal data stored in the cloud, as well as companies deciding to change their terms of service and use your data for purposes you might not want it used for.
      - justinclift 6mo ago
        What are you on about? Why is this trigging such weird hatred in you? They literally deleted his personal photo's from his phone without his consent. They didn't even ask. If he'd actually signed up for it, then sure, in that case they're offering a desired service. That's clearly not the situation though.
        colesantiago 6mo ago
        How is common sense hatred? I am just saying what a normal person would do not a HN or tech user would do. > They literally deleted his personal photo's from his phone without his consent. They didn't even ask. If he'd actually signed up for it, then sure, in that case they're offering a desired service. That's clearly not the situation though. Except it is not 'deleted', it is on iCloud, it is your choice for this to be temporary or permanent. Again, every Apple account has 5GB of iCloud for free, it has always been like this and even the author knows it. The real problem is that the author accepted Apple's terms without even knowing or reading the terms like most people do. By using the iPhone he agrees to their ToS. I know this because the terms of service shows up you setup the iPhone and when you update the iPhone OS. But i'm sure you and him have read every line in most Terms of Service right?
        justinclift 6mo ago
        > How is common sense hatred? It's literally the opposite of common sense. :( Common sense is when your users use their device to take a photo, and have not explicitly signed up for your extra (off device) "backups", then you do not ___delete their files___ from their actual storage location.
        colesantiago 6mo ago
        > It's literally the opposite of common sense. :( It is common sense for normal people when using these devices. Even the author doesn't want to move. > Will this change my behavior in any way? I already don’t buy most apple products, precisely for the “walled garden” reason. I have this iPad and that’s it. I’ll try to not buy more. So here is what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year: Nothing. The author will continue to use the iPad and move on with his life. > Common sense is when your users use their device to take a photo, and have not explicitly signed up for your extra (off device) "backups", then you do not ___delete their files___ from their actual storage location. That is called a digital camera.
    - nottorp 6mo ago
      They've also turned their "cloud service" on after I turned it off multiple times. And I'm not even avoiding it because of data hostage fears, just because I don't understand it and thus I can't trust it.
      - colesantiago 6mo ago
        At some point when using the device, he accepted the terms of service, so Apple turned on the 5GB of storage for free. If you don't like this, you can backup your device and move to Android or use a camera.
        nottorp 6mo ago
        Seriously? Where does Apple ask if you want to use the cloud storage separately and explicitly? Does it say we will delete files from your device and move them to our “cloud storage” without involving by your choice or asking for confirmation” anywhere when you setup your iPhone? Stop with the corporate worship please.
        colesantiago 6mo ago
        > Seriously Yes. > Does it say we will delete files from your device and move them to our “cloud storage” without involving by your choice or asking for confirmation” anywhere when you setup your iPhone? You can find the answers in their terms of service, assuming you've read them all. It is not corporate worship, it is their service that you're agreeing to. I don't make the rules here.
        hacker161 6mo ago
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  - eipi10_hn 6mo ago
    You are weird
user3939382 6mo ago
Does it constitute acceptance to do something because your data was held hostage?
- colesantiago 6mo ago
  Saying your 'data is being held hostage' is very overdramatic. The solution is to accept the terms, and move on. If you don't like Apple, backup your photos and move to Android. Come on.

m463 6mo ago

accept all cookies. Yesss! download the app! I would love to hear about your new feature. Yes, I'd love to ask your new AI assistant <weird-unique-name> for help! > I never paid for Apple’s iCloud service so I am a little surprised that not only were my pictures uploaded, the local copy was deleted. no worries, apple can do what microsoft did.

colesantiago 6mo ago
Why are you being weird? > I never paid for Apple’s iCloud service so I am a little surprised that not only were my pictures uploaded... Yes? Apple’s iCloud service provides 5GB for free?
- justinclift 6mo ago
  > Apple’s iCloud service provides 5GB for free? That seems a lot like: "You're going to be using our service, whether you like it or not!" Pretty uncool?
  - colesantiago 6mo ago
    So it is uncool that Apple provides a service for backing up your photos even if they are providing 5GB for free. Got it. Let's hope that your phone won't be part of the 70 million smartphones that get lost each year and your photos aren't backed up.
    - beams_of_light 6mo ago
      I strongly prefer not to have my personal data stored on other people’s computers.
      - colesantiago 6mo ago
        Get a camera then? How does a normal person get the same service as iCloud for their personal device while syncing _all_ their photos, app data to it?
        m463 6mo ago
        apple doesn't allow for that. They support their own solution, suppress what they don't like (music syncing) and actively interfere with other solutions, even some they wrote long ago. non-icloud reminds me of the jackling house > In 1984 Steve Jobs purchased the Jackling House and estate, and resided there for a decade. After that, he leased it out for several years until 2000 when he stopped maintaining the house, allowing exposure to the weather to degrade it. You can do some of it with image capture/files to read raw DCIM stuff, carddav/caldav, but that stuff may or may not work.
        beams_of_light 5mo ago
        I have a camera, on my phone. I just want to be able to sync my pictures and videos to my own device, not cloud storage. This is becoming especially prudent in these times of nearly monthly major breaches exposing personal data stored in the cloud, as well as companies deciding to change their terms of service and use your data for purposes you might not want it used for.
    - justinclift 6mo ago
      What are you on about? Why is this trigging such weird hatred in you? They literally deleted his personal photo's from his phone without his consent. They didn't even ask. If he'd actually signed up for it, then sure, in that case they're offering a desired service. That's clearly not the situation though.
      - colesantiago 6mo ago
        How is common sense hatred? I am just saying what a normal person would do not a HN or tech user would do. > They literally deleted his personal photo's from his phone without his consent. They didn't even ask. If he'd actually signed up for it, then sure, in that case they're offering a desired service. That's clearly not the situation though. Except it is not 'deleted', it is on iCloud, it is your choice for this to be temporary or permanent. Again, every Apple account has 5GB of iCloud for free, it has always been like this and even the author knows it. The real problem is that the author accepted Apple's terms without even knowing or reading the terms like most people do. By using the iPhone he agrees to their ToS. I know this because the terms of service shows up you setup the iPhone and when you update the iPhone OS. But i'm sure you and him have read every line in most Terms of Service right?
        justinclift 6mo ago
        > How is common sense hatred? It's literally the opposite of common sense. :( Common sense is when your users use their device to take a photo, and have not explicitly signed up for your extra (off device) "backups", then you do not ___delete their files___ from their actual storage location.
        colesantiago 6mo ago
        > It's literally the opposite of common sense. :( It is common sense for normal people when using these devices. Even the author doesn't want to move. > Will this change my behavior in any way? I already don’t buy most apple products, precisely for the “walled garden” reason. I have this iPad and that’s it. I’ll try to not buy more. So here is what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year: Nothing. The author will continue to use the iPad and move on with his life. > Common sense is when your users use their device to take a photo, and have not explicitly signed up for your extra (off device) "backups", then you do not ___delete their files___ from their actual storage location. That is called a digital camera.
  - nottorp 6mo ago
    They've also turned their "cloud service" on after I turned it off multiple times. And I'm not even avoiding it because of data hostage fears, just because I don't understand it and thus I can't trust it.
    - colesantiago 6mo ago
      At some point when using the device, he accepted the terms of service, so Apple turned on the 5GB of storage for free. If you don't like this, you can backup your device and move to Android or use a camera.
      - nottorp 6mo ago
        Seriously? Where does Apple ask if you want to use the cloud storage separately and explicitly? Does it say we will delete files from your device and move them to our “cloud storage” without involving by your choice or asking for confirmation” anywhere when you setup your iPhone? Stop with the corporate worship please.
        colesantiago 6mo ago
        > Seriously Yes. > Does it say we will delete files from your device and move them to our “cloud storage” without involving by your choice or asking for confirmation” anywhere when you setup your iPhone? You can find the answers in their terms of service, assuming you've read them all. It is not corporate worship, it is their service that you're agreeing to. I don't make the rules here.
        hacker161 6mo ago
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- eipi10_hn 6mo ago
  You are weird

user3939382 6mo ago

Does it constitute acceptance to do something because your data was held hostage?

colesantiago 6mo ago
Saying your 'data is being held hostage' is very overdramatic. The solution is to accept the terms, and move on. If you don't like Apple, backup your photos and move to Android. Come on.