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I have a very good friend who was an addict, and I tried to help him turn his life around in many ways, but I couldn’t figure out a way. Professionals told me

I have a very good friend who was an addict, and I tried to help him turn his life around in many ways, but I couldn’t figure out a way. Professionals told me “he has to hit rock bottom.” Anyhow he wound up getting arrested and spent a couple of weeks in jail where he got clean and decided to turn his life around. He went on to get a couple of masters degrees, get married, have two kids, and has a good job. He credits his time in jail for saving his life.

pessimizer 5mo ago
I knew somebody who turned his life around after surviving an attempted murder. I still don't think that means that trying to murder people whose lives are going awry is a rational solution.
- 0xBA5ED 5mo ago
  You're saying that spending time in jail is roughly equivalent to being a victim of attempted murder.
  - pessimizer 5mo ago
    No, I'm saying that both things could have them same effect, so the existence of that effect isn't a proof that the solution makes sense. If I tell you that covering something in red paint and covering something in tomato sauce will stain them both red, I'm not saying that red paint is tomato sauce. I also know people who have changed their lives after heart attacks. Am I saying that heart attacks are roughly equivalent to prison stays?
    - 0xBA5ED 5mo ago
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ratelimitsteve 5mo ago
I have a friend who picked up heroin in jail, came out an addict and died of an OD in his basement. His daughter found him. If your anecdote can prove your point, then mine can disprove it.
- ipaddr 5mo ago
  I think I know that family. Didn't the daughter get beat up everyday by that father and that's why he went to jail. Her life is so much better now.
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ryoshoe 5mo ago
At the core of this is that your friend came to the realization that he wanted to change his life. He can credit his time in jail for this. However that doesn't mean it will be the same for everyone, or that there's only a single potential trigger to get someone to recover from drug addiction
- cameldrv 5mo ago
  If the jail is properly run (and I will admit that this is a big if), there aren't any drugs in the jail. Some people, if they get clean for a little while, are in a position to reflect on what they're doing. The indignity of being locked up also puts a very fine point on it. Now I don't think that this would necessarily work for everyone, but it worked for my friend, and I've heard a number of other similar stories. Sometimes you need to get a very clear message from society/the system that your behavior is unacceptable, and you need to get that message sober or it may not get through.
  - y0eswddl 5mo ago
    what a naive position... "if a jail is properly run" no cage can ever be a healthy environment.
potsandpans 5mo ago
Wow, it must be true if you said it!

pessimizer 5mo ago

I knew somebody who turned his life around after surviving an attempted murder. I still don't think that means that trying to murder people whose lives are going awry is a rational solution.

0xBA5ED 5mo ago
You're saying that spending time in jail is roughly equivalent to being a victim of attempted murder.
- pessimizer 5mo ago
  No, I'm saying that both things could have them same effect, so the existence of that effect isn't a proof that the solution makes sense. If I tell you that covering something in red paint and covering something in tomato sauce will stain them both red, I'm not saying that red paint is tomato sauce. I also know people who have changed their lives after heart attacks. Am I saying that heart attacks are roughly equivalent to prison stays?
  - 0xBA5ED 5mo ago
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ratelimitsteve 5mo ago

I have a friend who picked up heroin in jail, came out an addict and died of an OD in his basement. His daughter found him. If your anecdote can prove your point, then mine can disprove it.

ipaddr 5mo ago
I think I know that family. Didn't the daughter get beat up everyday by that father and that's why he went to jail. Her life is so much better now.
- deleted 5mo ago
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ryoshoe 5mo ago

At the core of this is that your friend came to the realization that he wanted to change his life. He can credit his time in jail for this. However that doesn't mean it will be the same for everyone, or that there's only a single potential trigger to get someone to recover from drug addiction

cameldrv 5mo ago
If the jail is properly run (and I will admit that this is a big if), there aren't any drugs in the jail. Some people, if they get clean for a little while, are in a position to reflect on what they're doing. The indignity of being locked up also puts a very fine point on it. Now I don't think that this would necessarily work for everyone, but it worked for my friend, and I've heard a number of other similar stories. Sometimes you need to get a very clear message from society/the system that your behavior is unacceptable, and you need to get that message sober or it may not get through.
- y0eswddl 5mo ago
  what a naive position... "if a jail is properly run" no cage can ever be a healthy environment.

potsandpans 5mo ago

Wow, it must be true if you said it!