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> We did not ask for your location. Your address arrived before you did. Bunk. You asked a geolocation api/service to map my ip address back to a location. You

> We did not ask for your location. Your address arrived before you did. Bunk. You asked a geolocation api/service to map my ip address back to a location. You _did_ ask for my location, using my IP as a key. And my IP is pretty much required in order for communication on the internet to work (outside of using services to hide it, but then _they_ have your info instead).

ygjb 5mo ago
Nah. The browser has a mechanism to request geolocation. This is the ask that was not performed. The user was not asked, which is the important piece. If I have a dictionary, I don't have to ask the meaning of a word I hear from someone I am speaking to, I can look it up in the dictionary. I may infer an incorrect meaning because the word has multiple meanings or is a colloquialism. If I need to clarify that inaccuracy, I need other data points (for example, the context of the conversation), or I can ask my conversational partner for clarification).
- nozzlegear 5mo ago
  > Nah. The browser has a mechanism to request geolocation. This is the ask that was not performed. The user was not asked, which is the important piece. The geolocation API requires prompting the user for permission before it can be used: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Geolocation/getCurrentPosition https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Geolocation...
  - ygjb 5mo ago
    Yes, that would have tripped the prompt asking the user, which would have had explicit user acceptance or refusal. The point is you don't need consent to do a fuzzy match usibg other data in most jurisdictions.
    - nozzlegear 5mo ago
      Ah I see what you're saying. I think the website's wording is just confusing, which made me think you, in turn, were saying something you weren't.
mmooss 5mo ago
> my IP is pretty much required in order for communication on the internet to work (outside of using services to hide it, but then _they_ have your info instead). Tor and similar multi-hop proxies, depending on construction, supposedly can't match source to destination IPs.
- amarant 5mo ago
  It has.. Shall we say tradeoffs.. In terms of latency mostly, but I suspect bandwidth is likely affected too
cortesoft 5mo ago
I think you are misreading this. It isn't saying they didn't ask ANYONE, they are saying they never asked YOU as a user for it. Also, though, of COURSE your address arrived first... how else are they going to send back the data you are requesting?

ygjb 5mo ago

Nah. The browser has a mechanism to request geolocation. This is the ask that was not performed. The user was not asked, which is the important piece. If I have a dictionary, I don't have to ask the meaning of a word I hear from someone I am speaking to, I can look it up in the dictionary. I may infer an incorrect meaning because the word has multiple meanings or is a colloquialism. If I need to clarify that inaccuracy, I need other data points (for example, the context of the conversation), or I can ask my conversational partner for clarification).

nozzlegear 5mo ago
> Nah. The browser has a mechanism to request geolocation. This is the ask that was not performed. The user was not asked, which is the important piece. The geolocation API requires prompting the user for permission before it can be used: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Geolocation/getCurrentPosition https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Geolocation...
- ygjb 5mo ago
  Yes, that would have tripped the prompt asking the user, which would have had explicit user acceptance or refusal. The point is you don't need consent to do a fuzzy match usibg other data in most jurisdictions.
  - nozzlegear 5mo ago
    Ah I see what you're saying. I think the website's wording is just confusing, which made me think you, in turn, were saying something you weren't.

mmooss 5mo ago

> my IP is pretty much required in order for communication on the internet to work (outside of using services to hide it, but then _they_ have your info instead). Tor and similar multi-hop proxies, depending on construction, supposedly can't match source to destination IPs.

amarant 5mo ago
It has.. Shall we say tradeoffs.. In terms of latency mostly, but I suspect bandwidth is likely affected too

cortesoft 5mo ago

I think you are misreading this. It isn't saying they didn't ask ANYONE, they are saying they never asked YOU as a user for it. Also, though, of COURSE your address arrived first... how else are they going to send back the data you are requesting?