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So you’re taking from others who earned it and give it someone that didn’t? Got it.

• smallnix 5mo ago
  Yes, in the EU they call it 'sharing'
  • Vaslo 5mo ago
    Ok, in the US we call this stealing. My bad.
• shimman 5mo ago
  This is what capitalists literally do with workers. It's not like capitalists are creating anything valuable, they're just leeches extracting wealth. I rather have workers get the money than more corporate welfare.
  • andsoitis 5mo ago
    > It's not like capitalists are creating anything valuable, Some capitalists create enormous value, some destroy it, some are essentially passive recipients of returns generated by others. Capitalists provide real productive functions like capital allocation, risk-bearing, founding, governance, monitoring, etc.
    • shimman 5mo ago
      No capitalists just provide money, something other entities can as well. Often better too. Capitalists are completely useless when they have no workers, so I don't understand your points outside of "wow capitalists require a lot of workers to exist." Hence the rush towards LLM systems, the dream of perpetual labor machine is too enticing. There is also no risks for capitalists, do we live on the same planet where the stated US economic policy isn't to socialize the risks and privatize the gains?
      • andsoitis 5mo ago
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      • Jensson 5mo ago
        > There is also no risks for capitalists So you argue no capitalists ever lost money? It happens all the time, the risk is real.
        • rainbowDolphin 5mo ago
          The risk is absolutely real, and varies immensely, as does its significance. Consider the risks of VC backed initiatives, which far more often than not, return less than market salary to entrepreneurs, and less than the S&P 500 to capitalists. For a shot at the jackpot, entrepreneurs are risking substandard salaries, and capitalists substandard returns. You could argue that the capitalist’s risk is more significant than the entrepreneur’s. Even in failure, a VC initiative can afford the entrepreneur greater networking and professional experience than other roles, which increases their future earning potential and offsets their risk of substandard salary. Hard to say the same for the capitalist, who is also, of course, risking a far greater amount of currency than anyone else. But a risk’s significance is not determined by the amount wagered; it is determined by the consequences of losing the wager. As well as the consequences of participation, or lack thereof. Median American lifetime earnings are somewhere between one and two million dollars; let’s say an entire life costs two million. A capitalist capable of investing a billion dollars could risk an entire lifetime’s money on a venture every other month, for eighty years, cradle to grave, and if they suffered complete losses every time, they’d still die with enough money for 1600 years of life in a wealthy nation. The sum risked is immense. But the consequences of losing it are null. It is, of course, more nuanced than that. Many businesses are funded by people with far less than a billion dollars, and many of them fail. There's also 3,000 billionaires, and an overwhelming majority of human lives that cost far less than American's.
          • dzonga 5mo ago
            > Consider the risks of VC backed initiatives, which far more often than not, return less than market salary to entrepreneurs, and less than the S&P 500 to capitalists. once people get honest about this - that VC losses tend to be tax write-offs & that prior to the VC model - you investors with skin in the game via equity | debt. then maybe people will stop hyping up VCs and start doing things in a sustainable manner. but to the gilet wearing hierarchy on the coasts - I'm being a heretic.
  • Vaslo 5mo ago
    The workers take no risk. They can pick up and move anytime they want.
• wqaatwt 5mo ago
  As noted in the other comment Poland is not even getting that much money per capita, it’s just a fairly large country. They are still getting half of what Belgium is getting and unlike the overwhelming majority of bureaucrats in Brussels Polish farmers actually produce something useful.
• tossandthrow 5mo ago
  Money is a claim on future work - it only works if the system works.
  • scotty79 5mo ago
    So few people understand this about money. That it's not a resource. It's just accounting system.
• toasty228 5mo ago
  That's like the entire point of the EU yes, most people agree it's better than what we used to have, considering how it went in 1914 and 1939 for example
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