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US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support
- samlinnfer 6mo agoLooks like China is just ahead of the curve where you can't buy a plane ticket or book a train if you owe debts.
- actionfromafar 6mo agoAnd in Dubai you can't open your door!
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- NoMoreNicksLeft 6mo agoThink the original language is 1996 and Clinton. Or, more properly, I guess, Gingrich. I don't know all the details, saw that somewhere else and can't remember where.
- tgv 6mo agoIdk, but it may also be a ploy to disfranchise voters (if a passport is required to vote), as this hits Democrats voter potential harder.
- remarkEon 6mo agoDemocrats tend to be deadbeat dads? What?
- tgv 6mo agoPoverty is the underlying factor.
- testfrequency 6mo ago[flagged]
- actionfromafar 6mo agoWhat are you making an argument for or against?
- testfrequency 6mo agoIt’s not threaded here but the responder made a comment about this affecting liberals more than anyone, to which I countered by saying statistically conservative states suffer more from poverty. Fully aware it’s not as a black and white as this, but on surface they are just wrong to tie a political party to poverty when it affects everyone.
- tgv 6mo agoPew Research (2024) says: About six-in-ten voters with lower family incomes (58%) associate with the Democratic Party, compared with 36% who affiliate with the Republican Party.
- testfrequency 6mo agoYou should check the exit polls from 2024 if you want to go back that far then. Republicans won the vote for the under $100k bracket.
- marcusverus 6mo agoBoth can be true. Democrats tend to dominate the lowest income quintile, while Republicans tend to win the second and third quintiles. So if you're only looking at the bottom quintile, Democrats would win that cohort. If you combine the bottom three quintiles, Republicans would win it.
- actionfromafar 6mo agoThat's really clever and may be the reason why the limit is so low.
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- UberFly 6mo agoOwing child support is a negative on children and society in general, but I'm sure there are plenty who will argue in favor of it.
- mjd 6mo agoI accidentally read the comments on the post and got as far as this one: “Honestly, since we're going towards socialism, we need to abolish child support. Women have the right to get an abortion because it is their body their choice. A man has to use his body …” That was enough for me.
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- atmavatar 6mo agoIt's rather unfortunate that so many people are against genuine equality when it comes to reproductive rights. While it makes perfect sense to me that a pregnant woman should have final (only?) say in whether or not she carries a child to term, it strikes me as rather off that: * Outside of marriage, the biological father has no rights when it comes to participating in their child's life, whether we're talking custody or mere visitation. * The father has no right to avoid child support despite having no say in either its birth or participation in their lives. * Upon being targeted by the state for child support responsibilities, the court system virtually never allows cessation of payments upon a failed paternity test (i.e., paternity fraud). Note: roughly 30% of paternity tests that are performed reveal children are not biologically related to their presumed fathers. * In about half the states, it's illegal to even perform a paternity test without consent of the mother. I do find it fascinating that many people will use the very same blase "you should have thought of that before having sex" dismissals when bringing up any of the above issues as are used so often against women fighting for their right to abortion. tl;dr: child support should be linked with visitation/custody rights. If a father abandons or is denied those rights, they should be absolved of child support, especially if it's proven they aren't actually the biological father.
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- handedness 6mo agoNot commenting one way or the other, but here is what authorizes this: The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA)[0] SEC. 370. DENIAL OF PASSPORTS FOR NONPAYMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT. (a) HHS Certification Procedure.— (1) Secretarial responsibility.—Section 452 (42 U.S.C. 652), as amended by section 345 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection: “(k)(1) If the Secretary receives a certification by a State agency in accordance with the requirements of section 454(31) that an individual owes arrearages of child support in an amount exceeding $5,000, the Secretary shall transmit such certification to the Secretary of State for action (with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of passports) pursuant to paragraph (2). “(2) The Secretary of State shall, upon certification by the Secretary transmitted under paragraph (1), refuse to issue a passport to such individual, and may revoke, restrict, or limit a passport issued previously to such individual.[1] The above may have predated the amended copy, as a threshold of $2,500 seemed to be the case at least 3 years ago, for whatever that is worth. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Wo... [1] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/COMPS-1793/uslm/COMPS-1793.xml https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/COMPS-1793/uslm/COMPS-17...
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- Perenti 6mo agoI've been told that American's have a very low rate of passport issuance. I don't know if that's true, but the figure quoted was only 10% of adults hold passports. Is this a really effective way to get people to pay for their kids, or just the appearance of doing something to quiet the voters?
- rho138 6mo agoAs an american it is true that most people don’t have passports - the act of flying internationally is either out of reach economically or culturally. This does give mostly out of touch opression where the margins are the targets and the white dudes will likely get a pass, so the latter.
- egorfine 6mo agoWhat does it mean "out of reach culturally"? Genuine question, I'm very curious about it.
- rincebrain 6mo agoI've met a lot of people in the US who assume they cannot afford to fly anywhere, much less to another country, without having ever priced any part of it, they simply Knew from cultural osmosis they were not The Kind Of People Who Could Do That. I am assuming that's what they meant.
- rho138 6mo agoYou’re strawmanning against a point that I called out explicitly as a distinct variable that should be considered on its own totality of circumstance.
- gcr 6mo agoI’m guessing that a lot of Americans are either fearful of or indifferent to the rest of the world. My broad estimate is that maybe half of us have been outside the country.
- thefz 6mo agoGreat, now do it with tax evaders.
- stuaxo 6mo agoThis sounds worse for the kids themselves.
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- OutOfHere 6mo agoChild support is just the start. It won't be long before passports are revoked for a number of other reasons too.
- goofy_lemur 6mo ago[flagged]
- novia 6mo ago[flagged]