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> it will only make the bullies taking their revenge on vulnerable ones with even more cruelty. And they will plan it carefully to be hard/impossible to prove.
by naasking 5mo ago
> it will only make the bullies taking their revenge on vulnerable ones with even more cruelty. And they will plan it carefully to be hard/impossible to prove. It will lead to the escalation, not to the resolution
Bullies are generally not very intelligent. Deterrents absolutely do work if applied consistently. A society that applies corporal punishment at multiple levels, as Singapore does, strongly ingrains the idea to straighten yourself out, because there's always someone with a bigger stick.
> In severe cases, I can think of suspension or exclusion from school or another kind of isolation.
In my experience, this isn't the deterrent you think it is.
- zarzavat 5mo agoBullies certainly can be intelligent. Intelligence and sadism are orthogonal traits. The only thing that unites bullies is the willingness to inflict misery on others. A bully could be a simple thug who uses violence because they have nothing else going for them, or a popular kid at the top of their class who manipulates others for their own amusement.
- hackable_sand 5mo agoA bully is not necessarily a sadist And neither a sadist or a bully are necessarily bad people.
- bdangubic 5mo agoyes they are, bullies some of the worst of humanity
- hackable_sand 5mo ago"Bully" is an archetype.
- cortesoft 5mo ago> because there's always someone with a bigger stick. This is certainly not true. Someone has the biggest stick, and if they abuse that power, it can be horrible.
- naasking 5mo agoNobody has the biggest stick forever, and time is implicitly included in the adage "someone always has a bigger stick".
- vidarh 5mo agoTeaching someone that using violence and abuse as ways to exercise power is not a lesson I want people to learn.
- naasking 5mo agoGood thing that's not the lesson then. Of course if you see any use of physical correction as violence and abuse, then you're just assuming the conclusion.
- vidarh 5mo agoI see any use of violence as violence, yes, and find it abhorrent to see people justifying violence against children. I'm happy I grew up in a civilised country where it was and is a criminal offense
- postalrat 5mo agoDo you consider putting someone in jail as violence. It's not much different than kidnapping and that's usually considered violence. How about a time-out for a child?
- vidarh 5mo ago> Do you consider putting someone in jail as violence. Yes, I do. It should also be a last resort to mitigate worse consequences to society, and is severely over-used for many things where it has no proven benefit. > How about a time-out for a child? It can be cruel if over-used, but it is not the same as physically hurting a child.
- postalrat 5mo agoA time-out can still be considered violence and something you approve for children.
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