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Wow, so much negativity, when the app scores really high on things that are supposed to be important here: * Desktop first, no electron crap * Open source and

Wow, so much negativity, when the app scores really high on things that are supposed to be important here: * Desktop first, no electron crap * Open source and free * Linux first * Subjective, but to me it looks clean If getting all that means using some AI vibe code, that's fine by me. Who isn't these days anyway? (Be honest!) Anyway I hope the project is successful, more choice and competition in Matrix clients is a good thing. Now if only they can fix video calls...

invalidSyntax 5mo ago
Vibe coding isn't bad. It's those people who do all there coding(?) with it and post it like it's there creation is the problem.
- LoganDark 5mo ago
  Who cares if they used AI assistance? Vision is theirs, prompting is theirs, guidance is theirs, verification and iteration and feedback and so on is theirs. It's not like they zero-shot "make a Matrix client for Linux" and then just posted that with zero processing, review, testing, or anything. Sheesh.
  - nullsanity 5mo ago
    Yeah! The burning of litres of waters is theirs, the degredation of their intellect and ability is theirs, the financial support of the companies ruining the internet and the world is theirs, the support of the hype machine ruining the economy is theirs! It's not like they woke up and went "I'm selfish, let's make everything a little bit worse for everyone" - but evil wins when good people vibe slop and we just let it go.
    - LoganDark 5mo ago
      Let's not blame the victim for this. I know it's unorthodox to think that evil corporations are exploiting their users in order to get away with evil things.
- rolymath 5mo ago
  This applies to all software. You didn't make the monitor your app is being displayed on. Stop taking credit for the compiler that made your code runnable, etc.
  - ASalazarMX 5mo ago
    There's a great difference between making a table with tools other people made, and ordering a custom table on Amazon, waxing it, and claiming you made it. This shouldn't even be an argument. What a crazy era we live in where people can finally take full credit for someone else's work, because that someone else is an algorithm that even encourages you to do so.
    - spantaleev 5mo ago
      If you mean Komai specifically, I think that this characterization is unfair. Komai is explicitly presented as a fork of Nheko. We credit the upstream project, major libraries (matrix-sdk) and assets (iconsets, etc.), and are open about using AI during development. I’m not claiming sole authorship or pretending Komai was created from scratch. It's built on existing work (done by various humans over many years) and we're being transparent and thankful about it. Disclosure: I've spent multiple months working on Komai (with AI and other humans).
      - ASalazarMX 5mo ago
        I was specifically addressing my parent comment, which was equating taking credit for LLM output to taking credit for making something using tooling or hardware.
blurbleblurble 5mo ago
People are afraid and taking it out on others
Arcuru 5mo ago
It's because they: 1. Forked an existing app that has all the features you listed. 2. Admit they don't really know the language and tech it uses. 3. Said upstream was too slow, but I don't see any(?) PRs from them on upstream besides the 2 that they list in the post. Their fork appears to have an extra 3,000 commits. I'm not super against them doing this, but it's pretty easy to see why people don't like it. Hell, this is the same group that upgraded one of my side-projects from a few years ago and improved it into their 'baibot' matrix bot, so I wish them all the best. I like people making money from OSS, more power to them.
- spantaleev 5mo ago
  Your Rust-based AI chatbot (https://github.com/arcuru/chaz https://github.com/arcuru/chaz) was an inspiration! It made me think: we don't have to suffer the brokenness of the old bot (https://github.com/matrixgpt/matrix-chatgpt-bot https://github.com/matrixgpt/matrix-chatgpt-bot) anymore. Still, I wanted something more thread-based and more powerful than what you had built.. and I wanted a playground to learn some Rust. To clarify for anyone that might get confused: baibot (https://github.com/etkecc/baibot https://github.com/etkecc/baibot) is not based on any of the chaz code, nor on the matrix-chatgpt-bot code. It's completely manually-built / independently-built (in Rust), by me, over multiple months of unpaid FOSS work.

invalidSyntax 5mo ago

Vibe coding isn't bad. It's those people who do all there coding(?) with it and post it like it's there creation is the problem.

LoganDark 5mo ago
Who cares if they used AI assistance? Vision is theirs, prompting is theirs, guidance is theirs, verification and iteration and feedback and so on is theirs. It's not like they zero-shot "make a Matrix client for Linux" and then just posted that with zero processing, review, testing, or anything. Sheesh.
- nullsanity 5mo ago
  Yeah! The burning of litres of waters is theirs, the degredation of their intellect and ability is theirs, the financial support of the companies ruining the internet and the world is theirs, the support of the hype machine ruining the economy is theirs! It's not like they woke up and went "I'm selfish, let's make everything a little bit worse for everyone" - but evil wins when good people vibe slop and we just let it go.
  - LoganDark 5mo ago
    Let's not blame the victim for this. I know it's unorthodox to think that evil corporations are exploiting their users in order to get away with evil things.
rolymath 5mo ago
This applies to all software. You didn't make the monitor your app is being displayed on. Stop taking credit for the compiler that made your code runnable, etc.
- ASalazarMX 5mo ago
  There's a great difference between making a table with tools other people made, and ordering a custom table on Amazon, waxing it, and claiming you made it. This shouldn't even be an argument. What a crazy era we live in where people can finally take full credit for someone else's work, because that someone else is an algorithm that even encourages you to do so.
  - spantaleev 5mo ago
    If you mean Komai specifically, I think that this characterization is unfair. Komai is explicitly presented as a fork of Nheko. We credit the upstream project, major libraries (matrix-sdk) and assets (iconsets, etc.), and are open about using AI during development. I’m not claiming sole authorship or pretending Komai was created from scratch. It's built on existing work (done by various humans over many years) and we're being transparent and thankful about it. Disclosure: I've spent multiple months working on Komai (with AI and other humans).
    - ASalazarMX 5mo ago
      I was specifically addressing my parent comment, which was equating taking credit for LLM output to taking credit for making something using tooling or hardware.

blurbleblurble 5mo ago

People are afraid and taking it out on others

Arcuru 5mo ago

It's because they: 1. Forked an existing app that has all the features you listed. 2. Admit they don't really know the language and tech it uses. 3. Said upstream was too slow, but I don't see any(?) PRs from them on upstream besides the 2 that they list in the post. Their fork appears to have an extra 3,000 commits. I'm not super against them doing this, but it's pretty easy to see why people don't like it. Hell, this is the same group that upgraded one of my side-projects from a few years ago and improved it into their 'baibot' matrix bot, so I wish them all the best. I like people making money from OSS, more power to them.

spantaleev 5mo ago
Your Rust-based AI chatbot (https://github.com/arcuru/chaz https://github.com/arcuru/chaz) was an inspiration! It made me think: we don't have to suffer the brokenness of the old bot (https://github.com/matrixgpt/matrix-chatgpt-bot https://github.com/matrixgpt/matrix-chatgpt-bot) anymore. Still, I wanted something more thread-based and more powerful than what you had built.. and I wanted a playground to learn some Rust. To clarify for anyone that might get confused: baibot (https://github.com/etkecc/baibot https://github.com/etkecc/baibot) is not based on any of the chaz code, nor on the matrix-chatgpt-bot code. It's completely manually-built / independently-built (in Rust), by me, over multiple months of unpaid FOSS work.