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Did you ever introspect about who ruined Reddit?

by grey-area 6mo ago

pimlottc 6mo ago
We’re all trying to find the guy that did this
raincole 6mo ago
Yeah, if carlgreene specifically stopped doing that Reddit would be saved. They are the one savior.
- ishouldstayaway 6mo ago
  Do you sincerely believe that that's how grey-area's comment was meant to be read?
  - deleted 6mo ago
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  - raincole 6mo ago
    I sincerely believe it's a ridiculous comment that deserves to be ridiculed.
- deleted 6mo ago
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- grey-area 6mo ago
  They directly contributed to the problem that they say forced them to leave Reddit.
nickff 6mo ago
It’s a tragedy of the commons, many have done it, but no one user did it.
- deleted 6mo ago
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- Jordan-117 6mo ago
  I'd argue that Reddit leadership, which insulted, hobbled, and wrote off its mods and power users (destroying projects like /r/BotDefense) while doing little to crack down on the proliferation of bot repost content, had a major role in encouraging this. They might even like it better this way -- lots of extra fake engagement boosting traffic stats without messy human drama, which they can then ironically sell back to AI labs as training data.
  - bmurphy1976 6mo ago
    Let's never forget the summer of 2023 when Reddit forceably removed mods from many major communities and replaced them with corporate shills. That was a major loss of dedicated people who cared more for their communities than Spez's pocket book.
    - alex1138 6mo ago
      The internet is rather trending in that direction, isn't it? Youtube got rid of downvotes and apparently upload dates, which seems like an easier way to trick people into ads. And Reddit, like you said If these platforms had to listen to "their customers" (here comes the inevitable comment about how users aren't customers; yes, I know)? They'd all be fired. They'd have to find a new job. They all act in incredibly insulting ways with a too big to fail attitude
    - traderj0e 6mo ago
      The ones who got removed were shutting down their pages to protest API changes, right? Pride comes before the fall I guess
      - walrus01 6mo ago
        The API changes were put in place for the purpose of breaking, and did break, slmost all external moderation tool software which changed the task of moderating a forum with hundreds of thousands, or millions of users from an impossible Sisyphean task to something that was actually manageable by a dozen or so mods. The protest came after that so the timeline is not quite correct.
sieabahlpark 6mo ago
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daemin 6mo ago
Reddit itself by virtue of being a venture capital backed startup. It was a midpoint between Facebook and Geocities, it got people to build communities within its walled garden, but it was always going to betray them for cash.
latentsea 6mo ago
Directly my fault. Specifically me. No one else is to blame.
BatteryMountain 6mo ago
Isn't the ceo a pdfile and compromised and forced to work at reddit (or go to jail)? Reddit is now just a propaganda machine for the intelligence agencies and their dirty ceo is there to make sure the machine keeps pumping honey...wrecking teenagers brains in the process too, and gathering kompromat on young people which will bear its fruit in the next 20 years. I feel a good chunk of US politicians are being blackmailed because of their past online activities. Same shit on 4chan, how can it possibly be allowed to exist except for being a honeypot, all of these site dodgy sites being guarded by cloudflare no-less, which is the ultimate man-in-middle machine used by "them".
- grey-area 6mo ago
  I think the real explanation is simpler - it's just not particularly interesting to the authorities. No need for conspiracy theories. As to compromising material for bribery, that can be collected in so many different ways, and things like email or messaging or tiktok videos are probably far more interesting, reddit is not particularly useful for that.
  - BatteryMountain 6mo ago
    Both reddit and 4chan has hosted csam in the past 25 years or so... yet they continue exist. Their operators don't go to jail (specifically the ceo of reddit was supposedly a moderaton of csam a group). If I want to host anything semi dodgy, I'd be in jail in no time. Everything online (domain rental, dns, hosting, carriers & bgp peering, email, any kind of cloud usage, certificate authorities) can be traced back to real people and real bank accounts. Thus I think these things are allowed to exist as and act as honeypots, and my strong suspicion is that intelligence agencies must be involved somehow. The amount of blackmail material (even something as simple as starting an OF account and submitting your ID and then deleting again = easy blackmail on a young woman who changed her mind) generated daily is worthwhile for all these dark ops. I'm about 30% sure the entire chain of trust (from secureboot to certificate auths to ssl to disk encryption) has been compromised a long time ago and they just don't reveal that they know certain information and always find an indirect way to act on it.

Did you ever introspect about who ruined Reddit?

pimlottc 6mo ago

We’re all trying to find the guy that did this

raincole 6mo ago

Yeah, if carlgreene specifically stopped doing that Reddit would be saved. They are the one savior.

ishouldstayaway 6mo ago
Do you sincerely believe that that's how grey-area's comment was meant to be read?
- deleted 6mo ago
  [deleted]
- raincole 6mo ago
  I sincerely believe it's a ridiculous comment that deserves to be ridiculed.
deleted 6mo ago
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grey-area 6mo ago
They directly contributed to the problem that they say forced them to leave Reddit.

nickff 6mo ago

It’s a tragedy of the commons, many have done it, but no one user did it.

deleted 6mo ago
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Jordan-117 6mo ago
I'd argue that Reddit leadership, which insulted, hobbled, and wrote off its mods and power users (destroying projects like /r/BotDefense) while doing little to crack down on the proliferation of bot repost content, had a major role in encouraging this. They might even like it better this way -- lots of extra fake engagement boosting traffic stats without messy human drama, which they can then ironically sell back to AI labs as training data.
- bmurphy1976 6mo ago
  Let's never forget the summer of 2023 when Reddit forceably removed mods from many major communities and replaced them with corporate shills. That was a major loss of dedicated people who cared more for their communities than Spez's pocket book.
  - alex1138 6mo ago
    The internet is rather trending in that direction, isn't it? Youtube got rid of downvotes and apparently upload dates, which seems like an easier way to trick people into ads. And Reddit, like you said If these platforms had to listen to "their customers" (here comes the inevitable comment about how users aren't customers; yes, I know)? They'd all be fired. They'd have to find a new job. They all act in incredibly insulting ways with a too big to fail attitude
  - traderj0e 6mo ago
    The ones who got removed were shutting down their pages to protest API changes, right? Pride comes before the fall I guess
    - walrus01 6mo ago
      The API changes were put in place for the purpose of breaking, and did break, slmost all external moderation tool software which changed the task of moderating a forum with hundreds of thousands, or millions of users from an impossible Sisyphean task to something that was actually manageable by a dozen or so mods. The protest came after that so the timeline is not quite correct.

sieabahlpark 6mo ago

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daemin 6mo ago

Reddit itself by virtue of being a venture capital backed startup. It was a midpoint between Facebook and Geocities, it got people to build communities within its walled garden, but it was always going to betray them for cash.

latentsea 6mo ago

Directly my fault. Specifically me. No one else is to blame.

BatteryMountain 6mo ago

Isn't the ceo a pdfile and compromised and forced to work at reddit (or go to jail)? Reddit is now just a propaganda machine for the intelligence agencies and their dirty ceo is there to make sure the machine keeps pumping honey...wrecking teenagers brains in the process too, and gathering kompromat on young people which will bear its fruit in the next 20 years. I feel a good chunk of US politicians are being blackmailed because of their past online activities. Same shit on 4chan, how can it possibly be allowed to exist except for being a honeypot, all of these site dodgy sites being guarded by cloudflare no-less, which is the ultimate man-in-middle machine used by "them".

grey-area 6mo ago
I think the real explanation is simpler - it's just not particularly interesting to the authorities. No need for conspiracy theories. As to compromising material for bribery, that can be collected in so many different ways, and things like email or messaging or tiktok videos are probably far more interesting, reddit is not particularly useful for that.
- BatteryMountain 6mo ago
  Both reddit and 4chan has hosted csam in the past 25 years or so... yet they continue exist. Their operators don't go to jail (specifically the ceo of reddit was supposedly a moderaton of csam a group). If I want to host anything semi dodgy, I'd be in jail in no time. Everything online (domain rental, dns, hosting, carriers & bgp peering, email, any kind of cloud usage, certificate authorities) can be traced back to real people and real bank accounts. Thus I think these things are allowed to exist as and act as honeypots, and my strong suspicion is that intelligence agencies must be involved somehow. The amount of blackmail material (even something as simple as starting an OF account and submitting your ID and then deleting again = easy blackmail on a young woman who changed her mind) generated daily is worthwhile for all these dark ops. I'm about 30% sure the entire chain of trust (from secureboot to certificate auths to ssl to disk encryption) has been compromised a long time ago and they just don't reveal that they know certain information and always find an indirect way to act on it.