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The trouble is that Mozilla has admitted they can't survive without Google's revenue. You are basically using Google by proxy unless you use a truly independent

by xacky 5mo ago

The trouble is that Mozilla has admitted they can't survive without Google's revenue. You are basically using Google by proxy unless you use a truly independent browser engine of they get blocked by Cloudflare for not having enough fingerprinting tech.

hparadiz 5mo ago
(Ungoogled) Chromium and Firefox are both projects that are open source and readily available. The code is sitting there ready for you to compile. More users = more donations. You can be the change you wanna see.
- account42 5mo ago
  Neither will accept pull requests that remove the tracking wanted by the corporate overlord.
  - niutech 5mo ago
    Ungoogled Chromium doesn't include any tracking by Google and there are privacy-friendly Firefox forks: LibreWolf and Mullvad Browser.
unethical_ban 5mo ago
I don't agree that you are using Google by proxy when Firefox has more technical independence from Google than Chrome and can be quickly decoupled from the few Google defaults it has, search and safe browsing.
close04 5mo ago
> You are basically using Google by proxy unless you use a truly independent browser engine This conclusion doesn't follow your premise. Google has to pay because if Mozilla dies, so does the claim of any real competition on the browser engine market. So everyone agrees Firefox's engine is truly independent. Google pays so Firefox users don't use anything that has to do with Google. If you think about it, the only real way to not hurt Google is for Firefox to stop existing. Chrome would end up being spun off from Google.
- generic92034 5mo ago
  > Chrome would end up being spun off from Google. You mean, with reasonable administrations, caring for antitrust laws.
janalsncm 5mo ago
What browser can genuinely claim independence from Google? Chromium browsers are all arguably in the same camp. If FF is implicated, then so are forks like Zen. Safari is probably the only one?
- fragmede 5mo ago
  Ladybug is in the running. We'll have to wait and see where they get to.
  - dizhn 5mo ago
    Ladybird
- kalleboo 5mo ago
  Safari is funded by Google to the tune of $20B/year https://www.theverge.com/news/769599/google-apple-search-deal-us-doj-antitrust-case-remedies https://www.theverge.com/news/769599/google-apple-search-dea...
- niutech 5mo ago
  There are more: Epiphany (GNOME Web), Ultralight, Servo, Ladybird, Ekioh Flow.
Vinnl 5mo ago
Mozilla is paid when people search on Google through Firefox. If you're not searching with Google, you're not using Google by proxy. (Work at Mozilla, but not related to this - this is just public info.)

by xacky 5mo ago

hparadiz 5mo ago

(Ungoogled) Chromium and Firefox are both projects that are open source and readily available. The code is sitting there ready for you to compile. More users = more donations. You can be the change you wanna see.

account42 5mo ago
Neither will accept pull requests that remove the tracking wanted by the corporate overlord.
- niutech 5mo ago
  Ungoogled Chromium doesn't include any tracking by Google and there are privacy-friendly Firefox forks: LibreWolf and Mullvad Browser.

unethical_ban 5mo ago

I don't agree that you are using Google by proxy when Firefox has more technical independence from Google than Chrome and can be quickly decoupled from the few Google defaults it has, search and safe browsing.

close04 5mo ago

> You are basically using Google by proxy unless you use a truly independent browser engine This conclusion doesn't follow your premise. Google has to pay because if Mozilla dies, so does the claim of any real competition on the browser engine market. So everyone agrees Firefox's engine is truly independent. Google pays so Firefox users don't use anything that has to do with Google. If you think about it, the only real way to not hurt Google is for Firefox to stop existing. Chrome would end up being spun off from Google.

generic92034 5mo ago
> Chrome would end up being spun off from Google. You mean, with reasonable administrations, caring for antitrust laws.

janalsncm 5mo ago

What browser can genuinely claim independence from Google? Chromium browsers are all arguably in the same camp. If FF is implicated, then so are forks like Zen. Safari is probably the only one?

fragmede 5mo ago
Ladybug is in the running. We'll have to wait and see where they get to.
- dizhn 5mo ago
  Ladybird
kalleboo 5mo ago
Safari is funded by Google to the tune of $20B/year https://www.theverge.com/news/769599/google-apple-search-deal-us-doj-antitrust-case-remedies https://www.theverge.com/news/769599/google-apple-search-dea...
niutech 5mo ago
There are more: Epiphany (GNOME Web), Ultralight, Servo, Ladybird, Ekioh Flow.

Vinnl 5mo ago

Mozilla is paid when people search on Google through Firefox. If you're not searching with Google, you're not using Google by proxy. (Work at Mozilla, but not related to this - this is just public info.)