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It's like Linux users who scream about Arch KDE Plasma being better than Kubuntu XFCE++ and change their entire GUI every year. They're obsessing over rounded c

It's like Linux users who scream about Arch KDE Plasma being better than Kubuntu XFCE++ and change their entire GUI every year. They're obsessing over rounded corners lining up. None of this matters that much. It's more serious on iPhones cause it's glitchy in ways that will interfere with basic usage, also yet another "we need old phones to feel slower" update.

bluegreenyellow 5mo ago
How many? Many are using chromebooks and not complaining. Many use Linux and not complaining - as I work at a University. A majority need only a browser.
- traderj0e 5mo ago
  It's overall very few. Most people using Chromebook or other Linux or Mac in a university are just using it for work and not obsessing over details.
TiredOfLife 5mo ago
Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE not Xfce
- traderj0e 5mo ago
  You can install Xfce in Kubuntu (well also Xfce++ isn't real)
whalesalad 5mo ago
Really hilarious to complain about inconsistency in macOS and then encourage jumping to linux where you have one GTK app, one QT app, an electron app, and some secret fourth thing all running simultaneously with zero consistency or adherence to any kind of human interface guidelines.
- traderj0e 5mo ago
  and it's hotly debated what is the "correct" way to install Steam in Linux, even though you'd think whatever steampowered.com says is obviously the right way (same with other things)
- array_key_first 5mo ago
  Both the gnome project and KDE have HI guidelines. Also, I don't understand how this is magically better on mac os. Mac os doesn't have electron apps? Get real, it's the same bullshit on every desktop OS. At least we can all agree it's more consistent than windows.
  - traderj0e 5mo ago
    There's no QT vs GTK situation on Mac. Windows has more of a mix of UI, but at least compatibility tends to be preserved. Besides that, macOS and Windows each only have one DE and one window system. So in tutorials or IT help, it's enough info to specify that you're using "Mac" or maybe "Mac Tahoe," not "Linux, Debian Trixie, KDE Plasma, on Wayland." Not to mention hardware-specific issues, though those aren't Linux's fault.
    - array_key_first 5mo ago
      None of this has to do with consistency, though, which is the topic at hand. I mean, maybe you can say Windows has "one window system". But Microsoft has over a dozen GUI frameworks, and then they don't even use them. Teams is electron, believe it or not. I mean, in windows TODAY you can find UIs from 1995 to today in there. And that's just Microsoft software! The pre installed shit. Don't even get me started on applications. Let me tell you, that's not a problem on KDE or GNOME.
- bigyabai 5mo ago
  Versus macOS, where you encounter one Cocoa, one SwiftUI/UIKit, the same Electron app, a Catalyst app and a Flutter GUI fighting you for attention. Apple is lucky Windows exists, otherwise they'd be the most Balkanized OS in the mainstream.

bluegreenyellow 5mo ago

How many? Many are using chromebooks and not complaining. Many use Linux and not complaining - as I work at a University. A majority need only a browser.

traderj0e 5mo ago
It's overall very few. Most people using Chromebook or other Linux or Mac in a university are just using it for work and not obsessing over details.

TiredOfLife 5mo ago

Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE not Xfce

traderj0e 5mo ago
You can install Xfce in Kubuntu (well also Xfce++ isn't real)

whalesalad 5mo ago

Really hilarious to complain about inconsistency in macOS and then encourage jumping to linux where you have one GTK app, one QT app, an electron app, and some secret fourth thing all running simultaneously with zero consistency or adherence to any kind of human interface guidelines.

traderj0e 5mo ago
and it's hotly debated what is the "correct" way to install Steam in Linux, even though you'd think whatever steampowered.com says is obviously the right way (same with other things)
array_key_first 5mo ago
Both the gnome project and KDE have HI guidelines. Also, I don't understand how this is magically better on mac os. Mac os doesn't have electron apps? Get real, it's the same bullshit on every desktop OS. At least we can all agree it's more consistent than windows.
- traderj0e 5mo ago
  There's no QT vs GTK situation on Mac. Windows has more of a mix of UI, but at least compatibility tends to be preserved. Besides that, macOS and Windows each only have one DE and one window system. So in tutorials or IT help, it's enough info to specify that you're using "Mac" or maybe "Mac Tahoe," not "Linux, Debian Trixie, KDE Plasma, on Wayland." Not to mention hardware-specific issues, though those aren't Linux's fault.
  - array_key_first 5mo ago
    None of this has to do with consistency, though, which is the topic at hand. I mean, maybe you can say Windows has "one window system". But Microsoft has over a dozen GUI frameworks, and then they don't even use them. Teams is electron, believe it or not. I mean, in windows TODAY you can find UIs from 1995 to today in there. And that's just Microsoft software! The pre installed shit. Don't even get me started on applications. Let me tell you, that's not a problem on KDE or GNOME.
bigyabai 5mo ago
Versus macOS, where you encounter one Cocoa, one SwiftUI/UIKit, the same Electron app, a Catalyst app and a Flutter GUI fighting you for attention. Apple is lucky Windows exists, otherwise they'd be the most Balkanized OS in the mainstream.