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No offense, this is a crazy worthless contribution to the discussion. Why?

• dakolli 5mo ago
  Because everyone in these replies is in complete denial about the physical limits of memory and scaling in general. Ya'll literally living in an alternate reality where model capability increases with a decrease in size, its simply not the case. There will be small focused models that preform well on very narrow tasks, yes, but you will not have "agents" capable of "building most things" running on consumer hardware until more capable (and affordable) consumer hardware exists.
  • bensyverson 5mo ago
    Ah, you haven't realized that consumer hardware gets more capable over time
    • adrian_b 5mo ago
      Not this year, when many vendors either offer lower memory capacities or demand higher prices for their devices.
      • bensyverson 5mo ago
        Correct, the progress is not perfectly linear. But do you believe technological progress has stalled forever? If so, I'd get out of tech and start selling bomb shelters.
        • dakolli 5mo ago
          Do you really think the trend of consumer hardware is heading towards more memory and better specs? Apple's most popular product this year is an 8gb of RAM laptop.. The trend is heading in the opposite direction, less options for strong consumer hardware and towards cloud based products. This is a memory issue more than anything. Nvidia is done selling their ddr7 to gamers and people with AI girlfriends.
          • iuffxguy 5mo ago
            This is more then just the hardware evolving over time but we also are seeing big improvements in quantization and efficiency improvements.
            • dakolli 5mo ago
              There are physical limits to how much you can compress data. I'm just saying, don't sit on your hands waiting for this to happen, becuase its probably not going to for another decade +. There's no use in waiting, just write the code your fkin self and stop being lazy.
          • bensyverson 5mo ago
            Just so that I have your position straight: you actually believe that over the long term, like 10, 20 years, that the amount of RAM in a laptop is going to go down? It's not out of the realm of possibility, but I just want to make you aware that this would be a very surprising development in computing history.
            • dakolli 5mo ago
              A future with less RAM is possible with more applications using computational storage with ssd/nvme. But that's not my main argument is that its delusional for OP thinks its reasonable to expect that soon we'll be able to run models on consumer hardware that will be able to build basically most things, But I do think there will be many compromises made for consumer electronics, I don't think the powers that be are eager to give consumers all the best memory (that should be clear by now) There's 3 DDR5 DRAM manufactures in the world that have to provide memory to all the world's militaries, governments, datacenters/corporations. Consumers are last priority.
              • marci 5mo ago
                Did they modify their post? I can't see who claimed that consumer hardware will be able to build most things?