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Completely off topic but the title made me wonder if there’s any subscription service that cancels you if you don’t use it? Not quite usage based billing - plan

by kikki 5mo ago

Completely off topic but the title made me wonder if there’s any subscription service that cancels you if you don’t use it? Not quite usage based billing - plans that cancel (or pause) without use? I can’t think of any - terrible business model of course

theodorton 5mo ago
Kagi does something close to that. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/plan-types.html#monthly-plans https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/plan-types.html#monthly-pla...
perfmode 5mo ago
I’m stealing this idea!
chrisnight 5mo ago
Kagi arguably “pauses” your subscription if you don’t use it in a month. They give you a credit at the end of the month that then applies to the next month, so that people aren’t charged if they aren’t using it.
8cvor6j844qw_d6 5mo ago
> plans that cancel (or pause) without use? Kagi is one of them. [1]: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/faq/faq.html#fair-pricing https://help.kagi.com/kagi/faq/faq.html#fair-pricing I recall a db service does that too long ago. Although I'm not sure if they changed policy as it's been a while.
TechSquidTV 5mo ago
Xbox/Microsoft Game Pass actually automatically canceled for me when I hadn't used it.
dwedge 5mo ago
Kagi does this
shhsshs 5mo ago
In 2020 Netflix claimed they would start to automatically cancel inactive accounts [1], but the post has since disappeared. I also remember Microsoft saying the same thing about Xbox Game Pass but have not searched for their statement. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200522032356/https://media.netflix.com/en/company-blog/helping-members-who-havent-been-watching-cancel https://web.archive.org/web/20200522032356/https://media.net...
john_strinlai 5mo ago
tailscale used to do this for teams ("active user billing"), but recently changed pricing models to be purely seat-based. they had a whole webinar about it with all sorts of justification, although most of it sounded like mba-isms to me.
repple 5mo ago
Slack. Deactivates a seat after 28 days of inactivity. A really good practice. edit: and obviously reactivates after activity
philsnow 5mo ago
Tarsnap has you put money into a stored balance, and when that balance goes to zero (and after a grace period), they delete your backups. Not exactly a subscription since it's a stored-balance system, but still.
m463 5mo ago
netflix did this. I didn't use streaming for a (long) time, they turned it off. Kudos.
- dylan604 5mo ago
  Not any more. They'll keep billing you, and they'll even follow you getting a new card even if you don't explicitly update your account with the new card info. That does not sound like the same mental space as not charging people for being inactive.
Dlouie 5mo ago
Morning brew (the email newsletter) iirc would unsubscribe you if you didn't open their email for a while. Not a paid sub though
dylan604 5mo ago
Uber dropped me and closed my account. They gave me warning, but I was fine with it and took no action to prevent them from doing it. The email said something about being based on no activity. I know it's not exactly a subscription service though where they were making money from me whether I used the service or not. It was just surprising to me that someone felt the need to develop a cancel user purging system at all.
qudat 5mo ago
We take a slightly different approach for https://pico.sh https://pico.sh -- no automatic subscription, but we charge for an entire year. It's great for us because each sub is a year and if someone truly isn't using our services then it'll quietly drift into the background for the end-user.
BrunoBernardino 5mo ago
Uruky [1] (a Kagi alternative, but simpler and EU-based) does this in a more intentional way: You can only pay once for a period of time (one, three, six, or twelve months), there is no subscription! If, after that period, you want to keep using it, you have to pay again. This was mainly done for privacy reasons, so less data needs to be stored in the account (it also only uses a randomly-generated account number, like Mullvad), but honestly, we don't want people paying that don't use the service. And you're right, it makes "making money" much harder, but also, feels more honest. [1]: https://uruky.com https://uruky.com

by kikki 5mo ago

theodorton 5mo ago

Kagi does something close to that. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/plan-types.html#monthly-plans https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/plan-types.html#monthly-pla...

perfmode 5mo ago

I’m stealing this idea!

chrisnight 5mo ago

Kagi arguably “pauses” your subscription if you don’t use it in a month. They give you a credit at the end of the month that then applies to the next month, so that people aren’t charged if they aren’t using it.

8cvor6j844qw_d6 5mo ago

> plans that cancel (or pause) without use? Kagi is one of them. [1]: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/faq/faq.html#fair-pricing https://help.kagi.com/kagi/faq/faq.html#fair-pricing I recall a db service does that too long ago. Although I'm not sure if they changed policy as it's been a while.

TechSquidTV 5mo ago

Xbox/Microsoft Game Pass actually automatically canceled for me when I hadn't used it.

dwedge 5mo ago

Kagi does this

shhsshs 5mo ago

In 2020 Netflix claimed they would start to automatically cancel inactive accounts [1], but the post has since disappeared. I also remember Microsoft saying the same thing about Xbox Game Pass but have not searched for their statement. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200522032356/https://media.netflix.com/en/company-blog/helping-members-who-havent-been-watching-cancel https://web.archive.org/web/20200522032356/https://media.net...

john_strinlai 5mo ago

tailscale used to do this for teams ("active user billing"), but recently changed pricing models to be purely seat-based. they had a whole webinar about it with all sorts of justification, although most of it sounded like mba-isms to me.

repple 5mo ago

Slack. Deactivates a seat after 28 days of inactivity. A really good practice. edit: and obviously reactivates after activity

philsnow 5mo ago

Tarsnap has you put money into a stored balance, and when that balance goes to zero (and after a grace period), they delete your backups. Not exactly a subscription since it's a stored-balance system, but still.

m463 5mo ago

netflix did this. I didn't use streaming for a (long) time, they turned it off. Kudos.

dylan604 5mo ago
Not any more. They'll keep billing you, and they'll even follow you getting a new card even if you don't explicitly update your account with the new card info. That does not sound like the same mental space as not charging people for being inactive.

Dlouie 5mo ago

Morning brew (the email newsletter) iirc would unsubscribe you if you didn't open their email for a while. Not a paid sub though

dylan604 5mo ago

Uber dropped me and closed my account. They gave me warning, but I was fine with it and took no action to prevent them from doing it. The email said something about being based on no activity. I know it's not exactly a subscription service though where they were making money from me whether I used the service or not. It was just surprising to me that someone felt the need to develop a cancel user purging system at all.

qudat 5mo ago

We take a slightly different approach for https://pico.sh https://pico.sh -- no automatic subscription, but we charge for an entire year. It's great for us because each sub is a year and if someone truly isn't using our services then it'll quietly drift into the background for the end-user.

BrunoBernardino 5mo ago

Uruky [1] (a Kagi alternative, but simpler and EU-based) does this in a more intentional way: You can only pay once for a period of time (one, three, six, or twelve months), there is no subscription! If, after that period, you want to keep using it, you have to pay again. This was mainly done for privacy reasons, so less data needs to be stored in the account (it also only uses a randomly-generated account number, like Mullvad), but honestly, we don't want people paying that don't use the service. And you're right, it makes "making money" much harder, but also, feels more honest. [1]: https://uruky.com https://uruky.com