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> You say that like Gmail is the market leader here, they're not. They are as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious, though, who you do consider to be the market l

by k3n 14y ago

> You say that like Gmail is the market leader here, they're not. They are as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious, though, who you do consider to be the market leader? I'm going to have a hard time keeping my composure if you say Hotmail (or "Live" mail), Yahoo, or something similar.

mibbitier 14y ago
Is market leader defined in terms of quality/features? Or number of users?
- ianstallings 14y ago
  Market leader would mean number of users most likely. Otherwise it's an opinion on which is a better email client and service.
andrewcooke 14y ago
when i looked for a replacement for gmail, http://www.runbox.com http://www.runbox.com seemed best, but that was a couple of years ago (instead i use procmail, mutt and mairix, but i imagine that's not for everyone...) huh. has hn always inlined links? maybe i have never added the http: prefix before...?
farmdawgnation 14y ago
Gmail may be a leader in the US, but Hotmail does have a much larger market penetration in Asian countries. And in the UK, form what I recall.
MatthewPhillips 14y ago
In terms of users they obviously are the market leader. I use Outlook.com personally and consider it to be overall better than Gmail. I'd gladly debate this if you'd like. Never the less, my original point was that all of these Gmail strengths that you think are very important are obviously not very important to people using Yahoo or their ISP webmail. The idea that everyone uses Gmail and any competitor must compete feature-by-feature is just incorrect.
- kstenerud 14y ago
  This sounds an awful lot like telling your customers they're wrong. And if you find yourself doing that, it's usually because you don't understand what your customer wants.
- 27182818284 14y ago
  "obviously are the market leader" Gmail only just recently (October 2012) overtook Hotmail.
  - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
    Typo on my part, meant to say that Gmail isn't the market leader in terms of users, Yahoo is.

by k3n 14y ago

mibbitier 14y ago

Is market leader defined in terms of quality/features? Or number of users?

ianstallings 14y ago
Market leader would mean number of users most likely. Otherwise it's an opinion on which is a better email client and service.

andrewcooke 14y ago

when i looked for a replacement for gmail, http://www.runbox.com http://www.runbox.com seemed best, but that was a couple of years ago (instead i use procmail, mutt and mairix, but i imagine that's not for everyone...) huh. has hn always inlined links? maybe i have never added the http: prefix before...?

farmdawgnation 14y ago

Gmail may be a leader in the US, but Hotmail does have a much larger market penetration in Asian countries. And in the UK, form what I recall.

MatthewPhillips 14y ago

In terms of users they obviously are the market leader. I use Outlook.com personally and consider it to be overall better than Gmail. I'd gladly debate this if you'd like. Never the less, my original point was that all of these Gmail strengths that you think are very important are obviously not very important to people using Yahoo or their ISP webmail. The idea that everyone uses Gmail and any competitor must compete feature-by-feature is just incorrect.

kstenerud 14y ago
This sounds an awful lot like telling your customers they're wrong. And if you find yourself doing that, it's usually because you don't understand what your customer wants.
27182818284 14y ago
"obviously are the market leader" Gmail only just recently (October 2012) overtook Hotmail.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  Typo on my part, meant to say that Gmail isn't the market leader in terms of users, Yahoo is.