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I think I did. The argument here was "well, if Apple can assume that users are going to learn a list of shortcuts, why can't Microsoft." The answer is because

I think I did. The argument here was "well, if Apple can assume that users are going to learn a list of shortcuts, why can't Microsoft." The answer is because the keyboard shortcuts on OS X are actually shortcuts, not required for using the operating system. The gestures Microsoft has incorporated in to Win8 are the only way of doing things, whereas I can do things a few different ways on OS X. Let's stick with closing an app. Apparently the gesture is swiping from top to bottom on Win8. On OS X, I can do that by clicking the red button (arguably the most intuitive method), by going to the File menu, or the keyboard shortcut, Command-W.

WayneDB 14y ago
OS X shortcuts are actually shortcuts, except when they're not... How about Command-Tab? There's only one way to access that functionality. How do you capture a screen in OS X without the secret "shortcut" keys or the command-line? How about ejecting a secondary optical drive? Zooming in and out?
- AlexandrB 14y ago
  The Dock generally displays all running apps, you can just click on one. I agree about the screenshot one - but this is often a power-user use case. There are a bunch of ways to eject a drive: 1. little eject button in Finder, 2. Right click on drive on desktop -> Eject, 3. Drag drive from desktop to Recycle Bin (this one is weird, but intuitive for long-time Mac users I guess). I admit I may be misinterpreting what you mean by "secondary" optical drive. System-wide zoom is mega-situational. I'm sure it's useful for those with visual impairment, but I've never seen anyone use it nor have I had use for it myself. This is like complaining that high-contrast mode in Windows does not have an easy-to-access menu.
  - elarkin 14y ago
    On my mac my keyboard has an eject button right next to f12(volume up). If I press that then the primary disk drive ejects its disk. If I had two disk drives, I'm not sure which it would eject. I suspect that this is what WayneDB was referring to.
    - chris_wot 14y ago
      To chime in on the screenshot issue - the only real way around a shortcut is to have some sort of Window... And you'd have to have some sort of setting that hides the window. I think Gnome has something like that.
- unconed 14y ago
  Screenshot: you use grab.app, which is included in the utilities folder. OS X has shortcuts, yes, but at least they all give consistent, immediate feedback, something Windows, Android and the various Linux desktops still don't get right.
- eddieroger 14y ago
  How about Command-Tab? Click on the icons in the dock. Capture a screen? Grab.app Eject secondary drive? Drag it to the trash can. You got me on the zoom in/out. I don't know that one. But I could make an argument that this one is not a shortcut, but the only command, as it falls under accessibility.

WayneDB 14y ago

OS X shortcuts are actually shortcuts, except when they're not... How about Command-Tab? There's only one way to access that functionality. How do you capture a screen in OS X without the secret "shortcut" keys or the command-line? How about ejecting a secondary optical drive? Zooming in and out?

AlexandrB 14y ago
The Dock generally displays all running apps, you can just click on one. I agree about the screenshot one - but this is often a power-user use case. There are a bunch of ways to eject a drive: 1. little eject button in Finder, 2. Right click on drive on desktop -> Eject, 3. Drag drive from desktop to Recycle Bin (this one is weird, but intuitive for long-time Mac users I guess). I admit I may be misinterpreting what you mean by "secondary" optical drive. System-wide zoom is mega-situational. I'm sure it's useful for those with visual impairment, but I've never seen anyone use it nor have I had use for it myself. This is like complaining that high-contrast mode in Windows does not have an easy-to-access menu.
- elarkin 14y ago
  On my mac my keyboard has an eject button right next to f12(volume up). If I press that then the primary disk drive ejects its disk. If I had two disk drives, I'm not sure which it would eject. I suspect that this is what WayneDB was referring to.
  - chris_wot 14y ago
    To chime in on the screenshot issue - the only real way around a shortcut is to have some sort of Window... And you'd have to have some sort of setting that hides the window. I think Gnome has something like that.
unconed 14y ago
Screenshot: you use grab.app, which is included in the utilities folder. OS X has shortcuts, yes, but at least they all give consistent, immediate feedback, something Windows, Android and the various Linux desktops still don't get right.
eddieroger 14y ago
How about Command-Tab? Click on the icons in the dock. Capture a screen? Grab.app Eject secondary drive? Drag it to the trash can. You got me on the zoom in/out. I don't know that one. But I could make an argument that this one is not a shortcut, but the only command, as it falls under accessibility.