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tptacek 5mo ago
Can we not? https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=violence%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
- ethanwillis 5mo ago
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- Teever 5mo ago
  So right off the bat I'd like to say that jacquesm's one word comment is pretty blah and in my books that along is sufficient reason to flag but I didn't this time. With that said HN is an international community, and it is important to respect the perspectives of people from around the world. Is it inappropriate for people to call for the kidnapping and arrest of Maduro from Venezuala? Doesn't appear to be from recent conversations here. Is it inappropriate for people to call for the overthrow of the Iranian government and the assassination of the Ayatollah? Doesn't appear to be from recent conversations here. Is it inappropriate for people in Canada or Greenland to discuss the prospect of American civil war and how it could potentially benefit them personally by minimizing the threat of American aggression that results in the invasion and annexation of their countries? Certainly appears to me from your response and previous conversations on here. As a non American it's conspicuous and frustrating to see how this discussion around what is and isn't acceptable speech about violence often lines up with whatever the current foreign policy of the American government happens to be. And that isn't to say that this site and others censor discussions that are critical of these policies, just that they seem to clamp down on discussions about violence when it's about domestic American violence even when it's being discussed by non-Americans like jacquesm? Why is that? Why is it okay Americans to call for the assassination of the Ayatollah but people from outside of America can't talk about the prospect of civil war and political assassinations in America? I'm a Canadian. The leader of your country has made many comments about annexing my country. It is quite likely that right-wing American interests are funding a separatist movement in my province. I consider this an overt threat to the well being of everyone in my community and my personal well being.[0][1] While America is nominally a democracy I don't hold the American people responsible for this threat. Instead I hold the American oligarchs and the skilled professionals who enable the creation of their authoritarian machinations (Including the employees of Oracle and IBM as you helpfully pointed out in a recent comment) responsible for this bullshit that now threatens me. So from that perspective why isn't it acceptable to acknowledge the necessity for the arrest of American oligarchs like Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and Larry Ellison? Why isn't it acceptable to call for the smuggling of weapons into America to facilitate revolutionary activities akin to what people were calling for the CIA to do in Iran? Ideally I don't want anyone to come to harm. But I have to be real about this, the more fractured America is the better off I am in the short term. Our incentives have become misaligned through no fault of my own. So something has to give. If you were in my shoes you'd feel the same way. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43485649#43487443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43485649#43487443 [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/russia-and-u-s-amplifying-alberta-separatist-narratives-to-stoke-division-distrust-report-9.7189604 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/russia-and-u-s-amplif...
- pocksuppet 5mo ago
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    The thread has had moderator attention, as you can see.
    - lovich 5mo ago
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      - jacquesm 5mo ago
        Hi, I don't think tomhow or 'pocksuppet' meant me, I think that was a reference to the current CEO of YC misbehaving himself. I don't drink, so I don't have any handy excuses for posting here or anywhere else. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39162499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39162499, contrary to Tom I don't think that being drunk excuses anything, alcohol serves to reduce inhibition and tends to reveal the real person more than that it inspires you to make death threats against politicians. As for my comment: I really don't think I was glorifying violence or calling for violence for specific persons as both Thomas and Tom seem to be implying (and both of them have known me through my comments for more than a decade so I'm a bit surprised by them jumping to conclusions so badly). I just answered a question and later followed it up with a longer explanation, we get taught about the French revolution and what led up to it in history class here and that is the - to me obvious - context. Tom has my email address, we've exchanged plenty of email over the years. If he was unclear about my intentions he could have simply checked up or asked in the thread but he choose to interpret the comment in the worst way possible and immediately acted accordingly. Which - ironically - is itself against the spirit of HN. But I recognize this is his - and Dan's - website, that being a moderator is stressful at the best of times and that these are not the best of times and that they get to make the rules and call the shots, and all of us have to abide by their interpretation of those rules.
        lovich 5mo ago
tomhow 5mo ago
We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48041608 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48041608 and marked it off topic. Not cool. Other users were perfectly able to respond to the parent with curious conversation. I'm not going to respond any further publicly. You can email us if you want to discuss further.
- ethanwillis 5mo ago
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  - tomhow 5mo ago
    We are not him, he withdrew it immediately when he woke/sobered up, that was not Hacker News, and the guidelines apply no matter who is posting or what the topic.
- lovich 5mo ago
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Can we not? https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=violence%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

ethanwillis 5mo ago
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lovich 5mo ago
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jacquesm 5mo ago
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Teever 5mo ago
So right off the bat I'd like to say that jacquesm's one word comment is pretty blah and in my books that along is sufficient reason to flag but I didn't this time. With that said HN is an international community, and it is important to respect the perspectives of people from around the world. Is it inappropriate for people to call for the kidnapping and arrest of Maduro from Venezuala? Doesn't appear to be from recent conversations here. Is it inappropriate for people to call for the overthrow of the Iranian government and the assassination of the Ayatollah? Doesn't appear to be from recent conversations here. Is it inappropriate for people in Canada or Greenland to discuss the prospect of American civil war and how it could potentially benefit them personally by minimizing the threat of American aggression that results in the invasion and annexation of their countries? Certainly appears to me from your response and previous conversations on here. As a non American it's conspicuous and frustrating to see how this discussion around what is and isn't acceptable speech about violence often lines up with whatever the current foreign policy of the American government happens to be. And that isn't to say that this site and others censor discussions that are critical of these policies, just that they seem to clamp down on discussions about violence when it's about domestic American violence even when it's being discussed by non-Americans like jacquesm? Why is that? Why is it okay Americans to call for the assassination of the Ayatollah but people from outside of America can't talk about the prospect of civil war and political assassinations in America? I'm a Canadian. The leader of your country has made many comments about annexing my country. It is quite likely that right-wing American interests are funding a separatist movement in my province. I consider this an overt threat to the well being of everyone in my community and my personal well being.[0][1] While America is nominally a democracy I don't hold the American people responsible for this threat. Instead I hold the American oligarchs and the skilled professionals who enable the creation of their authoritarian machinations (Including the employees of Oracle and IBM as you helpfully pointed out in a recent comment) responsible for this bullshit that now threatens me. So from that perspective why isn't it acceptable to acknowledge the necessity for the arrest of American oligarchs like Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and Larry Ellison? Why isn't it acceptable to call for the smuggling of weapons into America to facilitate revolutionary activities akin to what people were calling for the CIA to do in Iran? Ideally I don't want anyone to come to harm. But I have to be real about this, the more fractured America is the better off I am in the short term. Our incentives have become misaligned through no fault of my own. So something has to give. If you were in my shoes you'd feel the same way. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43485649#43487443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43485649#43487443 [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/russia-and-u-s-amplifying-alberta-separatist-narratives-to-stoke-division-distrust-report-9.7189604 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/russia-and-u-s-amplif...
pocksuppet 5mo ago
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- tptacek 5mo ago
  The thread has had moderator attention, as you can see.
  - lovich 5mo ago
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    - jacquesm 5mo ago
      Hi, I don't think tomhow or 'pocksuppet' meant me, I think that was a reference to the current CEO of YC misbehaving himself. I don't drink, so I don't have any handy excuses for posting here or anywhere else. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39162499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39162499, contrary to Tom I don't think that being drunk excuses anything, alcohol serves to reduce inhibition and tends to reveal the real person more than that it inspires you to make death threats against politicians. As for my comment: I really don't think I was glorifying violence or calling for violence for specific persons as both Thomas and Tom seem to be implying (and both of them have known me through my comments for more than a decade so I'm a bit surprised by them jumping to conclusions so badly). I just answered a question and later followed it up with a longer explanation, we get taught about the French revolution and what led up to it in history class here and that is the - to me obvious - context. Tom has my email address, we've exchanged plenty of email over the years. If he was unclear about my intentions he could have simply checked up or asked in the thread but he choose to interpret the comment in the worst way possible and immediately acted accordingly. Which - ironically - is itself against the spirit of HN. But I recognize this is his - and Dan's - website, that being a moderator is stressful at the best of times and that these are not the best of times and that they get to make the rules and call the shots, and all of us have to abide by their interpretation of those rules.
      - lovich 5mo ago

tomhow 5mo ago

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48041608 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48041608 and marked it off topic. Not cool. Other users were perfectly able to respond to the parent with curious conversation. I'm not going to respond any further publicly. You can email us if you want to discuss further.

ethanwillis 5mo ago
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- tomhow 5mo ago
  We are not him, he withdrew it immediately when he woke/sobered up, that was not Hacker News, and the guidelines apply no matter who is posting or what the topic.
lovich 5mo ago
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