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Traveling in Asia and South America, the primary impression I got was not that this is a war of manufacturing that we're losing but that the game is already up.

by arjie 6mo ago

Traveling in Asia and South America, the primary impression I got was not that this is a war of manufacturing that we're losing but that the game is already up. Chile was full of Chinese makes and they were all surprisingly good. Riding in a Chinese MG in Taiwan or Hong Kong you suddenly realize that this isn't a future competitor. The people talking about the war of car manufacturers here seem like those Japanese holdouts who were still fighting in 1956.

mekdoonggi 6mo ago
Yeah the game is already lost. The question is how long the US can keep dumb laws that don't acknowledge reality. Unfortunately that timespan is 249 years and counting apparently.
cameronh90 6mo ago
It's not "surprisingly" unless you haven't bought much in the last 20 years. China-owned brands are now often better and more premium than their Western counterparts across the entire spectrum. Give me Anker over Belkin any day. There are a few areas where the West still leads - Chinese software tends to be buggier and less polished, luxury apparel isn't at the same standard - but that lead is diminishing rapidly. Customer service could still do with some improvement: it's usually much slower and less professional, but the trade-off is it's not uncommon to end up talking to an actual engineer who can investigate and solve the problem rather than just follow a script, even at a huge company. The worst products are now formerly high quality Western brands with PE overlords that forced them to outsource manufacturing to the lowest bidder.
- AceJohnny2 6mo ago
  > The worst products are now formerly high quality Western brands with PE overlords that forced them to outsource manufacturing to the lowest bidder. Stanley Black&Decker? https://www.worseonpurpose.com/ https://www.worseonpurpose.com/
- gamblor956 6mo ago
  Anker was founded and is owned by an American...
  - etblg 6mo ago
    I'm not sure where you're getting that from, from wikipedia: > Anker was founded in 2011 by Steven Yang in Shenzhen, Guangdong, but the company moved its headquarters to Changsha, Hunan. And its listed on the Shenzhen stock exchange as a public company.
devilsdata 6mo ago
Come to Australia. About two years ago there was so many Teslas. In the space of two years, I've seen twice as many BYDs. I can only imagine this will continue.

by arjie 6mo ago

mekdoonggi 6mo ago

Yeah the game is already lost. The question is how long the US can keep dumb laws that don't acknowledge reality. Unfortunately that timespan is 249 years and counting apparently.

cameronh90 6mo ago

It's not "surprisingly" unless you haven't bought much in the last 20 years. China-owned brands are now often better and more premium than their Western counterparts across the entire spectrum. Give me Anker over Belkin any day. There are a few areas where the West still leads - Chinese software tends to be buggier and less polished, luxury apparel isn't at the same standard - but that lead is diminishing rapidly. Customer service could still do with some improvement: it's usually much slower and less professional, but the trade-off is it's not uncommon to end up talking to an actual engineer who can investigate and solve the problem rather than just follow a script, even at a huge company. The worst products are now formerly high quality Western brands with PE overlords that forced them to outsource manufacturing to the lowest bidder.

AceJohnny2 6mo ago
> The worst products are now formerly high quality Western brands with PE overlords that forced them to outsource manufacturing to the lowest bidder. Stanley Black&Decker? https://www.worseonpurpose.com/ https://www.worseonpurpose.com/
gamblor956 6mo ago
Anker was founded and is owned by an American...
- etblg 6mo ago
  I'm not sure where you're getting that from, from wikipedia: > Anker was founded in 2011 by Steven Yang in Shenzhen, Guangdong, but the company moved its headquarters to Changsha, Hunan. And its listed on the Shenzhen stock exchange as a public company.

devilsdata 6mo ago

Come to Australia. About two years ago there was so many Teslas. In the space of two years, I've seen twice as many BYDs. I can only imagine this will continue.