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We just started exploring Mise as a (much) simpler alternative to Nix + Bazel for a polyglot monorepo. One of my concerns was about how well maintained Mise wo

We just started exploring Mise as a (much) simpler alternative to Nix + Bazel for a polyglot monorepo. One of my concerns was about how well maintained Mise would be given that it's mostly a single maintainer, so I think this is good news in that respect. Good luck to Jeff!

xyzzy_plugh 5mo ago
As a proponent of both Nix and Bazel, unless you need them for a specific reason you should totally use Mise. I recommend Mise to everyone. If everyone on your team gets Mise and you're starting to feel pain at the periphery then it can definitely make sense to adopt a more elaborate toolchain orchestrator.
- invalidSyntax 5mo ago
  All these positive reviews really makes me wonder. Maby I should use Mise. The creator looks like he's really in it. Starting it now might be a good option.
JamesSwift 5mo ago
Devenv is "mise but nix" and is very good. It is currently undergoing a big migration though, so still a few rough edges. I highly recommend checking it out if you find yourself wanting nix at all.
sangeeth96 5mo ago
Likewise looking to adopt mise at work, have a PR nearly there and especially with all the LLM/skills CLIs, mise looks well positioned. I've been using it for a long time personally and is a delight to work with. Curious given polyglot monorepo and bazel, does mise have something that solves the build graph/caching stuff that IIUC comes with Bazel or is that something that's not needed for the monorepo you help maintain?
- spankalee 5mo ago
  Yeah, Mise has caching: https://mise.jdx.dev/cache-behavior.html https://mise.jdx.dev/cache-behavior.html I'm a massive fan of Wireit and its caching behavior, so I'm looking for something to live up to that. I have more testing to do. I think Mise defaults to mtime-keyed cache but has an option for content hashing, which it what Wireit uses and makes it quick to undo a change and get a cache hit.
  - jdxcode 5mo ago
    this is probably the better link to what they were asking about: https://mise.jdx.dev/tasks/running-tasks.html#running-on-file-changes https://mise.jdx.dev/tasks/running-tasks.html#running-on-fil... mise's sources/outputs is intentionally pretty naive though. It's not bazel/buck2. That may change one day but so far it's more for writing tasks and less trying to be an authoritative build system.
blcArmadillo 5mo ago
Off topic but how are you using Bazel with Nix? Specifically with regards to Bazel's cache. It doesn't seem like that would work well with Nix.
nextaccountic 5mo ago
Note, you can install some packages from nix in mise https://github.com/jbadeau/mise-nix https://github.com/jbadeau/mise-nix

xyzzy_plugh 5mo ago

As a proponent of both Nix and Bazel, unless you need them for a specific reason you should totally use Mise. I recommend Mise to everyone. If everyone on your team gets Mise and you're starting to feel pain at the periphery then it can definitely make sense to adopt a more elaborate toolchain orchestrator.

invalidSyntax 5mo ago
All these positive reviews really makes me wonder. Maby I should use Mise. The creator looks like he's really in it. Starting it now might be a good option.

JamesSwift 5mo ago

Devenv is "mise but nix" and is very good. It is currently undergoing a big migration though, so still a few rough edges. I highly recommend checking it out if you find yourself wanting nix at all.

sangeeth96 5mo ago

Likewise looking to adopt mise at work, have a PR nearly there and especially with all the LLM/skills CLIs, mise looks well positioned. I've been using it for a long time personally and is a delight to work with. Curious given polyglot monorepo and bazel, does mise have something that solves the build graph/caching stuff that IIUC comes with Bazel or is that something that's not needed for the monorepo you help maintain?

spankalee 5mo ago
Yeah, Mise has caching: https://mise.jdx.dev/cache-behavior.html https://mise.jdx.dev/cache-behavior.html I'm a massive fan of Wireit and its caching behavior, so I'm looking for something to live up to that. I have more testing to do. I think Mise defaults to mtime-keyed cache but has an option for content hashing, which it what Wireit uses and makes it quick to undo a change and get a cache hit.
- jdxcode 5mo ago
  this is probably the better link to what they were asking about: https://mise.jdx.dev/tasks/running-tasks.html#running-on-file-changes https://mise.jdx.dev/tasks/running-tasks.html#running-on-fil... mise's sources/outputs is intentionally pretty naive though. It's not bazel/buck2. That may change one day but so far it's more for writing tasks and less trying to be an authoritative build system.

blcArmadillo 5mo ago

Off topic but how are you using Bazel with Nix? Specifically with regards to Bazel's cache. It doesn't seem like that would work well with Nix.

nextaccountic 5mo ago

Note, you can install some packages from nix in mise https://github.com/jbadeau/mise-nix https://github.com/jbadeau/mise-nix