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One would expect that system would learn and change, and we wouldn't have trump fucking up half of global economy so beautifully on his morning whims just to ge

by kakacik 6mo ago

One would expect that system would learn and change, and we wouldn't have trump fucking up half of global economy so beautifully on his morning whims just to get rich as a side business of being potus (or reverse, probably). Something tells me that after this dark period is over, there won't be many lessons learned and things changed for the better in the system. 'Great system' not being so great after all (which it isn't, there are much better and more democractic systems implemented all around the world). Republicans as usually will shield just about anybody including mass rapist and murderer just to not lose face, and democrats will just again have this inept look with 'we couldn't change a damn thing because XYZ but we asked nicely'.

pjc50 6mo ago
> One would expect that system would learn and change The system did learn and change: they got a lot better at exploiting it. The effort to stack the Supreme Court with Republican partisans took decades.
- raisedbyninjas 6mo ago
  The system also learned to stop pressuring Republicans to resign in shame. Roger Ailes was a media consultant and advisor to Nixon. Ailes vision of a TV network that pushed a pro-GOP administration message under the banner of unbiased journalism manifested in Television News Incorporated and later Fox News. He viewed television as a useful tool to reach the lazy masses who preferred not to read the news or perform their own critical thinking.
  - bonesss 6mo ago
    IIRC Ailes believed that if the had some of the press with them that Nixon could have survived Watergate. And now we get near-daily “worse than Watergate” headlines and facts…
le-mark 6mo ago
> 'we couldn't change a damn thing because XYZ but we asked nicely' They literally can’t do anything. The constitution is structure so the party not in power can only obstruct legislation (filibuster). The current Supreme Court is literally rewriting the constitution or how the constitution has been interpreted for over one hundred years. They’re the bigger threat (to the US at least)
atoav 6mo ago
> One would expect that system would learn and change The problem I have with that is that the typical American I encounter online appears to not perceive themselves as part of that system. And if you read your own founding documents We The People are supposed to play a pretty profound role within that system. Only in the past year or ao I got the feeling that some appeared to have gotten the realization that they are not the temporarily embarrassed millionaires they always pictured themselves, but are in fact a lot closer to the homeless people whose tents you may pass by in your commute. Some may have even realized that this is not a failure of the system, but a feature for those people who you chose to represent you. The only two ways I see out of this mess is (1) collective bargaining (through unions and similar and (2) a ship of Theseus-like rebuilding of the established political personal within established party structures. Ideally both in tandem. Be part of the system and change it.
2ndorderthought 6mo ago
I don't know why you are down voted. Tons of bots in here it's ridiculous. None of this is normal.
- red-iron-pine 6mo ago
  the level of bot at HN has shot through the roof in the last 24 months. reddit at least puts speedbumps up
- solid_fuel 6mo ago
  There's a fair number of non-bot MAGA voters in here too. The usual pattern is they say something stupid and then whine and bitch about the downvotes they get. Unfortunately the slavering morons are all around us these days.

by kakacik 6mo ago

pjc50 6mo ago

> One would expect that system would learn and change The system did learn and change: they got a lot better at exploiting it. The effort to stack the Supreme Court with Republican partisans took decades.

raisedbyninjas 6mo ago
The system also learned to stop pressuring Republicans to resign in shame. Roger Ailes was a media consultant and advisor to Nixon. Ailes vision of a TV network that pushed a pro-GOP administration message under the banner of unbiased journalism manifested in Television News Incorporated and later Fox News. He viewed television as a useful tool to reach the lazy masses who preferred not to read the news or perform their own critical thinking.
- bonesss 6mo ago
  IIRC Ailes believed that if the had some of the press with them that Nixon could have survived Watergate. And now we get near-daily “worse than Watergate” headlines and facts…

le-mark 6mo ago

> 'we couldn't change a damn thing because XYZ but we asked nicely' They literally can’t do anything. The constitution is structure so the party not in power can only obstruct legislation (filibuster). The current Supreme Court is literally rewriting the constitution or how the constitution has been interpreted for over one hundred years. They’re the bigger threat (to the US at least)

atoav 6mo ago

> One would expect that system would learn and change The problem I have with that is that the typical American I encounter online appears to not perceive themselves as part of that system. And if you read your own founding documents We The People are supposed to play a pretty profound role within that system. Only in the past year or ao I got the feeling that some appeared to have gotten the realization that they are not the temporarily embarrassed millionaires they always pictured themselves, but are in fact a lot closer to the homeless people whose tents you may pass by in your commute. Some may have even realized that this is not a failure of the system, but a feature for those people who you chose to represent you. The only two ways I see out of this mess is (1) collective bargaining (through unions and similar and (2) a ship of Theseus-like rebuilding of the established political personal within established party structures. Ideally both in tandem. Be part of the system and change it.

2ndorderthought 6mo ago

I don't know why you are down voted. Tons of bots in here it's ridiculous. None of this is normal.

red-iron-pine 6mo ago
the level of bot at HN has shot through the roof in the last 24 months. reddit at least puts speedbumps up
solid_fuel 6mo ago
There's a fair number of non-bot MAGA voters in here too. The usual pattern is they say something stupid and then whine and bitch about the downvotes they get. Unfortunately the slavering morons are all around us these days.