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LLM generation in general provides the most use to scammers and the like. Generate emails which people won't read, generate articles which are just honeypots or
by Yizahi 6mo ago
LLM generation in general provides the most use to scammers and the like. Generate emails which people won't read, generate articles which are just honeypots or rip-offs, generate images to said articles, generate more and more spam.
Every legit use case for LLM practically requires that human would verify the result manually, at least briefly. But spammers can enjoy skipping that step, since content was never a main priority in the first place.
- 2ndorderthought 6mo agoSo true
- pixel_popping 6mo agoI disagree frankly, as the next wave is clearly fully autonomous businesses.
- notarobot123 6mo agoAgreed, "fully autonomous businesses" is the evolutionary next step for spam. Spamcorp services are the future. Don't resist it, that would be futile.
- jcgrillo 6mo agoOnion routing but for shell companies instead of packets
- ToucanLoucan 6mo agoI challenge you to explain a business plan for a fully automated business that isn't at least a bit shady.
- neom 6mo agoAny business can be run in a shady manner if the human decided. One fully automated business I think could exist and might be useful is apartment/condo rental. I'd pay a business $100 for a proper report on the rentals available in a city that meet a criteria and are amalgamated from all the the various platforms. Doing it yourself (at least in Canada) means creating accounts on a bunch of platforms, and the process is very tedious.
- ToucanLoucan 6mo ago> Any business can be run in a shady manner if the human decided. No kidding. > One fully automated business I think could exist and might be useful is apartment/condo rental. We're starting strong on the category of businesses that generate no actual value and just scrape an amount of value out of existing transactions that would've happened anyway, i.e., rent-seeking. But good for you, you can now artificially shrink the supply of limited-availability goods in the market, then gate access to them behind a paywall, and you don't even have to do the minimal amount of actual work required to fleece strangers for part of their paycheck while creating no value.
- neom 6mo agoSo basically you didn’t ask your original question in good faith. Got it. Thanks for wasting my time.
- jcgrillo 6mo agoCould there be a simpler explanation?
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- kortilla 6mo agoDespite paying rent for an apartment, it’s not rent-seeking. You get a place to live out of it that wouldn’t exist without the owner renting it to you. Rent-seeking is a very specific economic term where a party inserts themselves into a transaction and takes a cut without providing anything: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking Being a landlord comes with significant responsibilities and even principal investment risk.
- chimeracoder 6mo ago> Despite paying rent for an apartment, it’s not rent-seeking. You get a place to live out of it that wouldn’t exist without the owner renting it to you. > Rent-seeking is a very specific economic term where a party inserts themselves into a transaction and takes a cut without providing anything: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking > Being a landlord comes with significant responsibilities and even principal investment risk. Economist here. Yes, this was a correct use of the term "rent-seeking behavior". It's actually quite funny to see someone try to argue otherwise, when the name was chosen because this is, literally, the textbook example.
- skinfaxi 6mo agoMarket making?
- axus 6mo agoCoordinating philanthropy and charity ? Low-commission employee recruiter? I'm thinking any intermediary that's not producing something new.
- pixel_popping 6mo agoAn average SaaS?
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- reaperducer 6mo agoI disagree frankly, as the next wave is clearly fully autonomous businesses. Considering the disaster of that AI-powered store in San Francisco, I'm skeptical that this could happen in the next wave. Or even the next ocean. (WSJ article from a few weeks ago stated that the "AI" can't stop ordering candles, and manages the staff so poorly that sometimes there are no employees scheduled for some shifts.)
- TychoCelchuuu 6mo ago[dead]
- kjkjadksj 6mo agoWho do you sell to when there are no more humans??
- grey-area 6mo agoApparently Cloudflare have decided they'll sell to the agents instead.
- pixel_popping 6mo agoExactly, because they understood that a ton of businesses will be entirely managed without humans and they are right.
- grey-area 6mo agoWe'll see how this shakes out - to me it is more reminiscent of the boom in bitcoin and associated shitcoins a few years ago, where boosters thought they were going to take over finance and replace our financial institutions in a tech revolution involving NFTs, apps built on blockchain and all money moving to blockchains and everyone not accepting that a revolution was taking place was not going to make it. That didn't play out quite how the cheerleaders expected (though the value of Bitcoin at least is still high, NFTs and all the actual use-cases for Bitcoin fell through). I suspect we'll see something similar for LLMs, frankly they're nowhere near good enough for unsupervised use, and if you think they are, good luck to you in building a business on them.
- LocalH 6mo agoNobody wants Manna outside of the billionaire class Which means it will be forced upon everyone
- ethin 6mo agoSo, so many pro-AI/AI boosters just... Ignore this rather inconvenient fact in my experience. They will hype up how epic agentic coding is, or agentic <whatever here> is, all day long, but they will never tell you that LLMs are really benefiting scammers and criminals the most, who can now generate literally infinite content, for infinite amounts of time, because they don't need to verify or prove anything legitimate. And people who are apart of both of these groups are very, very good at sending, to the LLM, prompts that look completely innocent to any kind of guardrail or filter that these companies can devise. The only other use that is probably more profitable is porn. Really.
- bourgoin 6mo agoIt’s been said that “Nigerian prince” email scammers intentionally use poor spelling and grammar in order to narrow their funnel at the top by quickly weeding out observant and wary people who are unlikely to fall for it. By that token, LM-generated content which looks good at a glance but doesn’t hold up to scrutiny seems ideal for scamming. I’d speculate that in the scam content generation workflow, not only is there little penalty to skipping the verification step, but since you intend to push that step onto the target and hope the result is a false positive, subtly wrong hallucination might be not only tolerable but in fact better for its purpose than what a human could produce.