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I just don't see why everyone seems to not be cheering that perhaps we are not going to go back to the days where all those kids are going to be re charged. It

by nadermx 5mo ago

I just don't see why everyone seems to not be cheering that perhaps we are not going to go back to the days where all those kids are going to be re charged. It almost feels like everyone wants to go back to labels carpet bombing students with lawsuits[0] [0] https://w2.eff.org/IP/P2P/riaa-v-thepeople.html https://w2.eff.org/IP/P2P/riaa-v-thepeople.html

themafia 5mo ago
False dichotomy. We can obviously have both. We can destroy corporations that rely on copyright to exist and then abuse that system to profit. We can also ignore college students and minor contributory copyright infringement. The difference in scope here should be obvious. We can similarly punish drug dealers while not punishing drug users. In fact it's already policy in large parts of the USA.
- nadermx 5mo ago
  To quote another user in this thread "Thats such a non sequitur. This isnt a weed legalisation argument, its "Do we make IP worse for everyone, because you dont like some people benefiting from fair use"."
  - armada651 5mo ago
    When corporations were posed with this question numerous times in the past, their answer has always been an emphatic "Yes!".
Teever 5mo ago
Because the 'perhaps' there is a load-bearing word that is doing a lot of work and it's going to be come crashing down sooner or later. Of course some kids are going to be charged for this kind of shit, it's still a rules for thee but not for me world, the 'not for me' folks are just a hell of a lot more brazen about it.
davkan 5mo ago
As someone who’s engaged in private piracy basically my entire life I’ve never even considered venturing into gray areas of licensing when procuring for my company. In fact I’ve done the opposite and rooted it out wherever I’ve found it. It just seems obvious to me that a profit seeking venture should be held to a higher standard when it comes to infringing on the property rights of other companies and individuals, especially if they seek to enforce their own. Those kids weren’t hypocritically enforcing their own property rights and making employees sign ndas while downloading shit from tpb.
justacrow 5mo ago
Do you think if there was a mass movement of students moving off Spotify and downloading MP3s, they would _not_ be charged today? The hypocrisy is what has at least me upset
watwut 5mo ago
Because there is no reasonable expectation that we are not going back to those days. In fact, we are more likely to go back to those days then not. Those students are not Zuckenberg. They will not be treated as Zuckenberg. The legal theories that apply to them dont apply to Zuckenberg and vice versa. They do not have money to mount defense and if they do, they will be in debt till the end of their lives.
csa 5mo ago
> I just don't see why everyone seems to not be cheering that perhaps we are not going to go back to the days where all those kids are going to be re charged. It almost feels like everyone wants to go back to labels carpet bombing students with lawsuits It’s currently just as bad but in a different way, imho. The ability for labels (or whoever owns the rights) to wantonly invoke automated DMCA copyright strikes and demonetization on social media channels like YouTube is borderline criminal to me. Their lobby did a great job getting them more than they deserved (specifically with regards to the facilitation of capricious invoking of DMCA), but the abuse of the rules limits the growth of the creator economy in very unhealthy ways.

by nadermx 5mo ago

themafia 5mo ago

False dichotomy. We can obviously have both. We can destroy corporations that rely on copyright to exist and then abuse that system to profit. We can also ignore college students and minor contributory copyright infringement. The difference in scope here should be obvious. We can similarly punish drug dealers while not punishing drug users. In fact it's already policy in large parts of the USA.

nadermx 5mo ago
To quote another user in this thread "Thats such a non sequitur. This isnt a weed legalisation argument, its "Do we make IP worse for everyone, because you dont like some people benefiting from fair use"."
- armada651 5mo ago
  When corporations were posed with this question numerous times in the past, their answer has always been an emphatic "Yes!".

Teever 5mo ago

Because the 'perhaps' there is a load-bearing word that is doing a lot of work and it's going to be come crashing down sooner or later. Of course some kids are going to be charged for this kind of shit, it's still a rules for thee but not for me world, the 'not for me' folks are just a hell of a lot more brazen about it.

davkan 5mo ago

As someone who’s engaged in private piracy basically my entire life I’ve never even considered venturing into gray areas of licensing when procuring for my company. In fact I’ve done the opposite and rooted it out wherever I’ve found it. It just seems obvious to me that a profit seeking venture should be held to a higher standard when it comes to infringing on the property rights of other companies and individuals, especially if they seek to enforce their own. Those kids weren’t hypocritically enforcing their own property rights and making employees sign ndas while downloading shit from tpb.

justacrow 5mo ago

Do you think if there was a mass movement of students moving off Spotify and downloading MP3s, they would _not_ be charged today? The hypocrisy is what has at least me upset

watwut 5mo ago

Because there is no reasonable expectation that we are not going back to those days. In fact, we are more likely to go back to those days then not. Those students are not Zuckenberg. They will not be treated as Zuckenberg. The legal theories that apply to them dont apply to Zuckenberg and vice versa. They do not have money to mount defense and if they do, they will be in debt till the end of their lives.

csa 5mo ago

> I just don't see why everyone seems to not be cheering that perhaps we are not going to go back to the days where all those kids are going to be re charged. It almost feels like everyone wants to go back to labels carpet bombing students with lawsuits It’s currently just as bad but in a different way, imho. The ability for labels (or whoever owns the rights) to wantonly invoke automated DMCA copyright strikes and demonetization on social media channels like YouTube is borderline criminal to me. Their lobby did a great job getting them more than they deserved (specifically with regards to the facilitation of capricious invoking of DMCA), but the abuse of the rules limits the growth of the creator economy in very unhealthy ways.